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re: Watching NFL Life: Barry Sanders. Could he have been best running back?
Posted on 6/3/17 at 11:42 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 6/3/17 at 11:42 pm to brmark70816
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Also, the O-line BS has been disproved over and over. Smith played with one HOF O-lineman his whole career. Sanders played with one as well and had a great line. It is a huge lie that Sanders fans love to point out..
Who you have at QB also matters.... a lot...
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 11:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Put Barry on a 4 Superbowl type team and he has 4 2000 yd seasons, easily
Put Emmmit on suck as Detroit, and he doesn't make all pro, period
Put Emmmit on suck as Detroit, and he doesn't make all pro, period
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:01 am to GeeOH
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Put Barry on a 4 Superbowl type team and he has 4 2000 yd seasons, easily
Put Emmmit on suck as Detroit, and he doesn't make all pro, period
Umm no
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:08 am to uptownsage
Jim Brown played with a bunch of honkeys and was ahead of his time. Barry was the best of all time I wonder how Brown would fair against bigger faster defensive opponents.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 7:51 am to uptownsage
Best running backs in my lifetime:
Walter Payton
Barry Sanders
Bo Jackson
Based on pure athleticism, position changing and entertainment values.
Walter Payton
Barry Sanders
Bo Jackson
Based on pure athleticism, position changing and entertainment values.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 8:25 am to uptownsage
Rod Woodson's acl says he's the GOAT.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:25 am to GeeOH
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Put Barry on a 4 Superbowl type team and he has 4 2000 yd seasons, easily
Put Emmmit on suck as Detroit, and he doesn't make all pro, period
Wrong on both counts
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:15 am to uptownsage
No. Not if he stayed with the Lions.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Wrong on both counts
Emmmit was slower and less elusive. No way he puts up Sanders #s in Detroit. Plus, your taking away his all world qb as well.
Look, it doesn't mean Smith would have sucked. There would have always been other backs doing better elsewhere.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:06 pm to GeeOH
I think you are understating Emmitts elite talent a lot
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:15 pm to sgallo3
Not trying to at all. But I think Sanders played on a TEAM that basically never even made the playoffs, and still put up those gaudy #s, which were as good as Emmit"s, who.played on a TEAM that won 4 SBs and have probably 6 plus HOF player (qb, wr, te, 2 or 3 OK, FB) and that's just on offense!
Honestly, how could the rb NOT be successful?
Now think of Sanders with that talent..video game type #s would have happened.
Honestly, how could the rb NOT be successful?
Now think of Sanders with that talent..video game type #s would have happened.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:31 pm to GeeOH
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Plus, your taking away his all world qb as well
Aikman was good but at no point was he ever top 3 or even 4 QB in the league. Maybe you could say 4th best in 1992 and 1993. He was not close to all world
you're also dramatically underselling Emmitt's ability as has already been pointed out. He was the engine that made that offense go.
How old are you btw? Serious question.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:42 pm to GeeOH
Team that never made the playoffs? What?
Sanders wouldn't had the lanes as the Run n Shoot allowed him. Smith always played vs 7/8 box Sanders didn't.
Sanders wouldn't had the lanes as the Run n Shoot allowed him. Smith always played vs 7/8 box Sanders didn't.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:46 pm to uptownsage
OJ was the best slasher....... That's all I got.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:47 pm to sms151t
Barry also struggled outside the Silverdome. He could cut on a dime on that carpet but put him outdoors late in the season and he put up more than a few stinkers. And when the Lions did make the playoffs he was a non-factor in those postseason games.
Emmitt was the definition of a workhorse back and had much much better LOS vision than Barry.
It's mind boggling that people still compare the two. Yeah Barry was flashier and more explosive, but his east-west mentality was not conducive to winning football. Emmitt was the best player on an offense full of great players and was the linchpin on those teams. Aikman, Irvin, etc were all great players but none were capable of shouldering the load and carrying the Cowboys to wins consistently like Emmitt was.
Remember 1993 when he held out for a new contract and missed the first 2 games? Cowboys went 0-2 and looked bad doing it. He comes back and they go i think 12-2 the rest of the way and win the Super Bowl. That tells you all you need to know about how valuable he was.
Emmitt was the definition of a workhorse back and had much much better LOS vision than Barry.
It's mind boggling that people still compare the two. Yeah Barry was flashier and more explosive, but his east-west mentality was not conducive to winning football. Emmitt was the best player on an offense full of great players and was the linchpin on those teams. Aikman, Irvin, etc were all great players but none were capable of shouldering the load and carrying the Cowboys to wins consistently like Emmitt was.
Remember 1993 when he held out for a new contract and missed the first 2 games? Cowboys went 0-2 and looked bad doing it. He comes back and they go i think 12-2 the rest of the way and win the Super Bowl. That tells you all you need to know about how valuable he was.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:47 pm to Peazey
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Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, maybe even Gale Sayers, Marshall Faulk and Ladanian Tomlinson are all pretty close to indistinguishable
That kid Orenthal was pretty good too
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:49 pm to GeeOH
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Put Barry on a 4 Superbowl type team and he has 4 2000 yd seasons, easily
Wow. Easily? Really? UBDUM.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
There was a reason Thurman Thomas started in front of him
I still think Billy Sims was best RB Detroit ever had. Put Sims in that offense good lord.
ETA: Dickerson in a Run in Shoot would have been scary
I still think Billy Sims was best RB Detroit ever had. Put Sims in that offense good lord.
ETA: Dickerson in a Run in Shoot would have been scary
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:49 pm to Elleshoe
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That kid Orenthal was pretty good too
BEST SLASHER EVER!
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:21 pm to sms151t
This is Smith's records
Here's Sanders;
Professional;
Most Seasons, 1,100 or More Yards Rushing (10) tied with Walter Payton
Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,100 or More Yards Rushing (10)
Most Seasons, 1,300 or More Yards Rushing (9) tied with Walter Payton
Most Seasons, 1,400 or More Yards Rushing (7)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,400 or More Yards Rushing (5) tied with Emmitt Smith, 1991–1995
Most Seasons,1,500 or more yards rushing (5)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,500 or More Yards Rushing (4)
In 1997, he set an NFL record by rushing for at least 100 yards in 14 consecutive games and became only the third player to reach 2,000 yards in a single season. He shared the NFL MVP award with Brett Favre.
During the final 14 games of the 1997 season Sanders rushed for exactly 2000 yards on 310 carries (6.5 yd./carry), a figure which bears comparison with O.J. Simpson's 14-game mark of 2003 yards on 332 carries (6.0 yd./carry).
Each of his 10 years from 1989 through 1998 he was first- or second-team All-Pro and selected to thePro Bowl.
Over his professional football career, he rushed for at least 100 yards in 76 games, just short of Walter Payton's 77 games and Emmitt Smith's 78 games.
NFL record 25 games in which Sanders rushed for 150 yards or more. Jim Brown is second with 22 games.
NFL record 46 games in which Sanders had 150 yards from scrimmage or more. Walter Payton is second with 45.
15 career touchdown runs of 50 yards or more, most in NFL history. Jim Brown is second with 12.
At the time of his retirement, Sanders' 15,269 career rushing yards placed him second behind Walter Payton's 16,726 yards. At Sanders' then-current yearly yardage pace, he would have eclipsed Payton within one or two years.
Payton died from liver cancer at age 45 just months after Sanders' sudden retirement.
His 18,190 career yards from scrimmage place him sixth on the all-time list.
His career average of 5.0 yards per rushing attempt (min. 1500 att) is second all-time for running backs. Jim Brown is first with a 5.2 career average.
His career rushing yards per game average of 99.8 yards is second in NFL history behind only Jim Brown's 104.3 yards per game.
In 1999, he was ranked number 12 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, making him the highest-ranking Lions player and the third highest ranked running back, behind Jim Brown and Walter Payton.
On January 31, 2004, he was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
On August 8, 2004, he was inducted to the Hall of Fame along with Bob Brown, Carl Eller, and John Elway.
Any questions? You may notice Smith mention in a couple of those records...remember, Barry hung it up and played 5 years less than enmity, instead of being a douchebag and going play for a conference rival ONLY to get a record. Here's how Sanders approached records:
quote:
NFL records
18,355 rushing yards career
164 rushing touchdowns career
4,409 rushing attempts, career
Here's Sanders;
Professional;
Most Seasons, 1,100 or More Yards Rushing (10) tied with Walter Payton
Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,100 or More Yards Rushing (10)
Most Seasons, 1,300 or More Yards Rushing (9) tied with Walter Payton
Most Seasons, 1,400 or More Yards Rushing (7)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,400 or More Yards Rushing (5) tied with Emmitt Smith, 1991–1995
Most Seasons,1,500 or more yards rushing (5)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 1,500 or More Yards Rushing (4)
In 1997, he set an NFL record by rushing for at least 100 yards in 14 consecutive games and became only the third player to reach 2,000 yards in a single season. He shared the NFL MVP award with Brett Favre.
During the final 14 games of the 1997 season Sanders rushed for exactly 2000 yards on 310 carries (6.5 yd./carry), a figure which bears comparison with O.J. Simpson's 14-game mark of 2003 yards on 332 carries (6.0 yd./carry).
Each of his 10 years from 1989 through 1998 he was first- or second-team All-Pro and selected to thePro Bowl.
Over his professional football career, he rushed for at least 100 yards in 76 games, just short of Walter Payton's 77 games and Emmitt Smith's 78 games.
NFL record 25 games in which Sanders rushed for 150 yards or more. Jim Brown is second with 22 games.
NFL record 46 games in which Sanders had 150 yards from scrimmage or more. Walter Payton is second with 45.
15 career touchdown runs of 50 yards or more, most in NFL history. Jim Brown is second with 12.
At the time of his retirement, Sanders' 15,269 career rushing yards placed him second behind Walter Payton's 16,726 yards. At Sanders' then-current yearly yardage pace, he would have eclipsed Payton within one or two years.
Payton died from liver cancer at age 45 just months after Sanders' sudden retirement.
His 18,190 career yards from scrimmage place him sixth on the all-time list.
His career average of 5.0 yards per rushing attempt (min. 1500 att) is second all-time for running backs. Jim Brown is first with a 5.2 career average.
His career rushing yards per game average of 99.8 yards is second in NFL history behind only Jim Brown's 104.3 yards per game.
In 1999, he was ranked number 12 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, making him the highest-ranking Lions player and the third highest ranked running back, behind Jim Brown and Walter Payton.
On January 31, 2004, he was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
On August 8, 2004, he was inducted to the Hall of Fame along with Bob Brown, Carl Eller, and John Elway.
Any questions? You may notice Smith mention in a couple of those records...remember, Barry hung it up and played 5 years less than enmity, instead of being a douchebag and going play for a conference rival ONLY to get a record. Here's how Sanders approached records:
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He finished the season second in the NFL in rushing yards and touchdowns after declining to go back into the regular season finale just 10 yards shy of the rushing title (later won by Christian Okoye), and won theRookie of the Year Award.[11]
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