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re: USC's QB and McKnight might not play against Ohio St.
Posted on 8/18/08 at 4:26 pm to igoringa
Posted on 8/18/08 at 4:26 pm to igoringa
Right, and all of USC's offense returns this year fully in tact - the same exact offense that hung 40 on Illinois last year. So by your logic, the 06 Texas game was in the same exact scenario right? They just came off a big bowl win so therefore they are the huge favorite, right? You're using hindsight to dismiss that game instead of thiking about it how it was when OSU was heading into Austin then at this time of the year...what happens if OSU beats USC, then USC goes on to drop a few teams...are they all of a sudden no longer one of your "top notch" teams?
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Posted on 8/18/08 at 4:32 pm to usc6158
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SC's a 4.5 point favorite FWIW
Yeah, and i think they should be... it's at home and they play well there against non conference teams at least (and most in conference)
also, i have to wonder if getting killed in two out of conference games has gotten into the buckeyes heads.... would they fold if sc applied a little pressure early?
Posted on 8/18/08 at 5:30 pm to SprintFun
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Right, and all of USC's offense returns this year fully in tact - the same exact offense that hung 40 on Illinois last year.
Did not say fully in tact... I did say most playmakers are back and have experience... you claimed they had little to none. You are the one speaking in absolutes.
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So by your logic, the 06 Texas game was in the same exact scenario right?
Are you comparing losing John David Booty to Vince Young? Whatever you are on in Columbus to help you deal with recent failure, I would like some.
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They just came off a big bowl win so therefore they are the huge favorite, right?
It is not about one game... it is about trends... you are familiar with the trends but it hurts so you are trying to ignore them. Whatever works dude.
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You're using hindsight to dismiss that game instead of thiking about it how it was when OSU was heading into Austin then at this time of the year...
Again you are trying to correlate a decent Texas team with the current USC team. If you honestly think the 06 longhorns are remotely close to this squad, then you have more issues then I thought.
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what happens if OSU beats USC, then USC goes on to drop a few teams...are they all of a sudden no longer one of your "top notch" teams?
Yes, just like Texas and ND in 06.... I understand why you would want to consider them a 3 or 4 loss megapower, but that would not be the case. Further, when you advance in reading comprehension you will note I said I would tip my hat and acknowledge the greatness that is the 08 OSU football team if they go in and win. I am sorry if fantasy dreaming is not enough recognition from me.
Posted on 8/18/08 at 5:32 pm to molsusports
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also, i have to wonder if getting killed in two out of conference games has gotten into the buckeyes heads.... would they fold if sc applied a little pressure early?
You mean like fighting in the locker room... not this group of players... oh wait, already did it this calendar year. Oh wait again, they have grown so much during this offseason... completely different team (in that they are all world as opposed to being exposed offensively, defensively and on special teams).
Posted on 8/18/08 at 6:21 pm to igoringa
All I know is that should be a great game..
Posted on 8/18/08 at 7:14 pm to LSUlefty
Nope...OSU is gonna get blown out duh - haven't you read igoringa's posts?
Posted on 8/18/08 at 7:28 pm to SprintFun
Losing to a banged up USC team will be the nail in the coffin for OSU's reputation and the Big 10 as a whole.
Posted on 8/18/08 at 7:39 pm to kclsufan
quote:Mustain didn't look too great at their scrimmage. In fact, his first pass was returned for a TD.
There's an interesting story on ESPN in which Pete Carroll is trying to bullshite the media into believing that Aaron Corp might start in front of Mustain. I don't believe that for a minute and if Mustain gets off to a great start, Sanchez may end up the No. 2 when he's healthy.
quote:As you can see in this animated pic, it's purtee bad.
As to why JM might not play, maybe the jock itch is worse than we thought.
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Posted on 8/18/08 at 7:59 pm to stout
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Talk about never being put in another BCS bowl game again.
Yeah because Ohio St sucks in BCS games
Posted on 8/18/08 at 8:01 pm to Mr Clean
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It would be funny if they killed yall without McKnight or Sanchez. Talk about never being put in another BCS bowl game again.
Posted on 8/18/08 at 9:30 pm to igoringa
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Yes they were identical to the 2005 Longhorn team... no talent turnover there... especially at QB... fantastic example.
And 2008 USC is identical to 2007 USC? You want to know what USC lost from last year? Two top 10 picks from their D, in addition to another guy on their D who was a 4 year starter on the D-line, and another guy that had 8 career INTs.
On O they lost their 3 time All-American left tackle and two other OL. They lost their All-American TE (who had more receptions and TDs than their top two receivers had COMBINED), their starting QB, and their starting RB. Yeah, there's no talent turnover to USC.
Compare that to what OSU lost. #6 overall pick, then what? Starting fullback, worst starting LB, and (as much as I love Kirk Barton) a 7th round pick that was our RT last year. THAT'S IT.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 10:55 am to SprintFun
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Nope...OSU is gonna get blown out duh - haven't you read igoringa's posts?
let me know where I said you would get blown out? I said you would lose.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 11:01 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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And 2008 USC is identical to 2007 USC?
I did not say they were identical... I said they are still loaded with talent, including numerous playmakers with experience.
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You want to know what USC lost from last year? Two top 10 picks from their D, in addition to another guy on their D who was a 4 year starter on the D-line, and another guy that had 8 career INTs.
They lose that every year and simply re-load. In 2005 they lost 6 guys in the first round alone and still stayed in the elite. Year in and year out they are elite.
If you are making the argument that USC is just not that good, then so be it. My point is I think they are a talent laden elite team and your squad has been arse pounded against such teams over the past few years.
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Compare that to what OSU lost. #6 overall pick, then what? Starting fullback, worst starting LB, and (as much as I love Kirk Barton) a 7th round pick that was our RT last year. THAT'S IT.
Yes a team that demonstrated they could not compete in a big game is returning everyone... I am so excited for you.
If you were a champion returning 19, I would understand your point... but you are returning 19 who were schooled last year against elite competition and some were destroyed the year before by elite competition.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 11:12 am to igoringa
You're acting like OSU was some 7-5 team or something. They were the NATIONAL RUNNER UP. They lost to a better team that was much more experienced in the NCG. OK.
Yes, USC has a lot of talent, but it's not easy to replace your leading receiver, three of your top linemen, your starting QB (with a QB that no matter what his "star" ranking was, hasn't proven anything, yet), your top two defensive players and two more key defensive players. USC will be very good, maybe great this year. I just don't think they're as good as Ohio St.
Yes, USC has a lot of talent, but it's not easy to replace your leading receiver, three of your top linemen, your starting QB (with a QB that no matter what his "star" ranking was, hasn't proven anything, yet), your top two defensive players and two more key defensive players. USC will be very good, maybe great this year. I just don't think they're as good as Ohio St.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 11:21 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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You're acting like OSU was some 7-5 team or something. They were the NATIONAL RUNNER UP. They lost to a better team that was much more experienced in the NCG. OK.
Sorry you missed the memo, but OSU was moved to the MAC.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 11:26 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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You're acting like OSU was some 7-5 team or something. They were the NATIONAL RUNNER UP. They lost to a better team that was much more experienced in the NCG. OK.
They have not shown the ability to beat an elite team... simple as that. No one in their right mind would consider the last two OSU NATIONAL RUNNER UP's to remotely be the second best team in the nation. They have not beat any elite teams in this current cycle.
The two most athletic teams you faced last year handed you L's. You guys can dominate the slow and mundane (ie most of the Big 10), but put a few athletes on offense against you and 31-0 runs just seem to happen.
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Yes, USC has a lot of talent, but it's not easy to replace your leading receiver, three of your top linemen, your starting QB (with a QB that no matter what his "star" ranking was, hasn't proven anything, yet), your top two defensive players
Yes USC never replaced the likes of Carson Palmer, Leinart, Mike Williams, Dwayne Jarrett... they sent 32 players in 6 years before the double digits this year... dont act like this is uncommon for them.
Rey Maualuga was not one of their top two defensive players last year ?!?!?!? Are you serious?
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USC will be very good, maybe great this year. I just don't think they're as good as Ohio St.
And Ohio State is great based off of what? This team was rightfully ranked below Mizzou and WV up until the final weekend eventhough they had equal losses because they had proved nothing. This team beat no one of consequence and get whipped when they finally did.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 11:29 am to SprintFun
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Sorry you missed the memo, but OSU was moved to the MAC.
The MAC does perform better against Div II schools then your current conference.
I kid, the fact the Big 10 has one winning bowl season this decade should bring pride/joy and continue to demonstrate how 'brutal' your schedule is.
Posted on 8/19/08 at 12:01 pm to igoringa
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igoringa
you remind me of myself, imho
also....
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"I really believe that deep down inside no SEC school wants to play us, because eventually OSU will win one" - tress4press
buckeye fans
This post was edited on 8/19/08 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 8/19/08 at 12:31 pm to Fearthehat0307
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This reminds me of Texas Tech. Experts are saying they will be a threat this year. Great offense and returning a lot of starters on defense. They don't understand returning a lot of shitty players is not necessarily a good thing.
Texas Tech had one of the better defenses in the Big12 last season
Posted on 8/19/08 at 12:33 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Texas Tech had one of the better defenses in the Big12 last season
That's also because nobody in the Big-12 played any defense at all last year, but yeah they were a lot better the second half of the year
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