re: UFC Fight Night Lewis - Teixeira

Hey, remember when Dana had Lewis on the fricking pre-lims like 18 mo ago and then the main card fell through and he was moved up almost to the Co-main and he flying knee KOd a dude...


I memeber.

First I thought it was a bad stoppage but agree with it now. He was not going to be able to get up without using the cage like a latter. You can't allow him to continue after doing that. Lewis stops him on the ground if he doesn't climb the cage to get on his feet.

Yeah, it's rare to see that happen. Most of the time it's pulling on the fence to avoid a take down and using the toes to spin while on the ground. Don't think I've seen a fighter essentially climbing up the fence.

only casuals will say that was a "bad stoppage" or that Jason Herzog is "terrible".

it was a great stoppage and Herzog is easily in the top 3 best UFC officials.

however, with that said, Herzog did miss the blatant eye poke from Teixeira to Lewis early on..... but then the second and worst foul Teixeira committed by grabbing the cage with BOTH hands and raising himself up was the end of it ....

he would have been completely flat lined and punched through the canvas by Lewis if he wouldn't have committed that foul grabbing the cage. the fight was over.

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only casuals will say that was a "bad stoppage"

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What??? Go tell Cormier he’s only a casual too then.

How do you not stop it early then wait till the guy gets up ready to fight to call it. That ref is fricking awful

I just meant standing still, not the act of standing up--obviously he cheated to stand back up.

But yeah, that's a tough one. With heavyweights, there's a good chance that Teixeira comes back and wins within the round if he had been allowed to keep fighting. So even if Herzog had kept it in mind to dock him a point--for climbing the fence--after the round was over, it wouldn't have mattered if Teixeira had ended up getting the KO first.

It was a bad look in the moment, the guy standing still right in front of him and clearly frustrated that the fight was being called over.

Happy for Lewis at least.

That's exactly why it was called. I don't like Herzog, but have no problem with him calling it at that point.
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I do not. Watching the replay of it this morning, I don't feel as bad about the stoppage. Just a weird, unprecedent situation. I've seen plenty of stoppages due to strikes on the ground, of course. And lots of ref warnings, with the rare hard warning and point deduction, for grabbing the fence to avoid takedowns. But never a fighter who grabs the fence to help stand due to strikes followed by a stoppage after he's all the way back up.

I think Teixeira was desperate to get back to his feet because he could sense the fight about to be called. If Herzog were going to call the fight due to strikes, he could've avoided some controversy by calling it on the ground and not when the fighter made it back to his feet. Calling it after the fence grab and stand up just adds a level of confusion. But that's classic Herzog. At that point, he might as well have just taken a point and reset the fighters.

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That bad boy was over if he didn't pull himself up

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That's probably the best way to think of it. It would have been a fight-altering illegal move if he had been allowed to keep fighting. And if he had somehow won after that, it's a robbery from Lewis.

Most fence grabs are to avoid going down and everyone is left to wonder what would have happened down there.

This one the guy was already down and with the Black Beast on top of him, it would have been over shortly.