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re: UFC 226: Cormier vs Miocic... Stacked card
Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:12 pm to diat150
Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:12 pm to diat150
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frick that you want to be a champ? You step up and smoke Stephens and get the interim belt. His status now is did he piss off Dana by not taking the fight which means he may not fight for the belt next.
He doesn't need to "step up and smoke stephens". Hes already done everything required and there wont be any title shot moving forward that doesn't include a healthy Ortega. He's the up and coming star of that division and Dana knows that. This is precisely why there isnt a fight tomorrow night involving two 45ers.
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:16 pm to PT24-7
Dana straight up said he offered him a fight against Stephens and he turned it down.
Then they were gonna do Stephens Edgar for interim bypassing Ortega but Edgar is hurt.
Then they were gonna do Stephens Edgar for interim bypassing Ortega but Edgar is hurt.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:16 pm to lsucoonass
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No way you can cut that much weight and function when a weigh in is 20 or even 2 hrs prior to event. Anyone to try it is an idiot
I agree 100% but the bottom line is these are fighters and they will do anything for an advantage. I dont have the answer but something has to be done.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:21 pm to diat150
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Dana straight up said he offered him a fight against Stephens and he turned it down.
Yeah I watched the PC. I dont blame Dana for trying everything he can, just like I dont blame Ortega for turning it down. This is all assuming stephens could make championship weight in 1.5 days which we all know is highly unlikely.
All that being said Dana threatened a "interim title" for frankie and stephens but it wouldnt happen bc even Dana knows theres a limit to how far you can reach for an interim. Any title fight at 45 right now not including ortega or holloway would be laughed off. Thats why there isnt one happening.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:56 pm to PT24-7
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This is all assuming stephens could make championship weight in 1.5 days which we all know is highly unlikely.
Stephens is due to fight later this month so he's in camp. His weight may have been low enough for him to make it. I'm not sure if he cuts a lot to begin with.
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All that being said Dana threatened a "interim title" for frankie and stephens but it wouldnt happen bc even Dana knows theres a limit to how far you can reach for an interim. Any title fight at 45 right now not including ortega or holloway would be laughed off. Thats why there isnt one happening.
I don't think it would be laughed off. I've just been looking at some of those 'mma update' type videos and a lot of fans are calling Ortega a pussy. I don't think they would give a damn if Dana bypassed him.
IMO, if Max is out for a while, Dana should make an interim without Ortega and tell Ortega "you insisted on waiting for Max, womp womp"
If this is all about water toxicity for Max, he is probably already back to normal. they would have him admitted and fix his electrolytes and let him piss his way back to a normal fluid volume. If that's the case, they can fight soon and this will be moot. If that's not the case, then Ortega may have just screwed himself. Either way, it seems pretty shitty of Ortega to have gotten yourself so high in the rankings by stepping in late, and then not taking a fight later when someone else was ready to step in late. I've lost some respect for him.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 3:09 pm to starsandstripes
Lewis weighed in at 264.5 and Ngannou 253.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 3:10 pm to starsandstripes
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Stephens is due to fight later this month so he's in camp. His weight may have been low enough for him to make it. I'm not sure if he cuts a lot to begin with.
Stephens used to fight lightweight. He'd have to cut 30 lbs in 1.5 days to make weight. He wouldn't have done it just like Holloway couldn't with 8 days to make LIGHTWEIGHT vs Khabib. He would have came in over, and in turn the fight would have become a non titled fight just to have one on the card. Thats why it wasnt made.
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I don't think it would be laughed off. I've just been looking at some of those 'mma update' type videos and a lot of fans are calling Ortega a pussy. I don't think they would give a damn if Dana bypassed him.
It doesn't matter what a few internet tough guys say. Everyone knows that fight wouldn't be legit. Can't drop both guys from a title fight and have a fight and still call it a title fight. Especially can't do it with all the heat for interim fights lately.
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IMO, if Max is out for a while, Dana should make an interim without Ortega and tell Ortega "you insisted on waiting for Max, womp womp"
Not going to happen. If it does I'll be happy to admit I was wrong. If it was going to happen it would have happened already.
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If this is all about water toxicity for Max, he is probably already back to normal. they would have him admitted and fix his electrolytes and let him piss his way back to a normal fluid volume. If that's the case, they can fight soon and this will be moot.
Agree, this is what I think would happen. However, I think the next highest possibility is Max can't fight FW anymore and Ortega is booked with Stephens for the end of this month.
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Either way, it seems pretty shitty of Ortega to have gotten yourself so high in the rankings by stepping in late, and then not taking a fight later when someone else was ready to step in late. I've lost some respect for him.
That's your opinion and thats fine. However, its not apples to apples. Having a month to prepare for a non title fight isn't the same as 1.5 days to take a title fight with a guy you're 99% wont make weight.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 3:10 pm to starsandstripes
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Lewis weighed in at 264.5 and Ngannou 253.
I'm cheering for Lewis but I think Ngannou flat lines him
Posted on 7/6/18 at 3:52 pm to PT24-7
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Stephens used to fight lightweight. He'd have to cut 30 lbs in 1.5 days to make weight.
If that's the case then he wouldn't have made it, for sure. Big difference compared to Holloway however, because when he tried to make weight he was out of shape and coming off that injury. Stephens is in camp and honestly I have no idea where his weight is right now.
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It doesn't matter what a few internet tough guys say. Everyone knows that fight wouldn't be legit. Can't drop both guys from a title fight and have a fight and still call it a title fight. Especially can't do it with all the heat for interim fights lately.
Those comments are a better barometer than you think. They are a mix of hardcore and casual fans, but hardly anyone but those with an interest in MMA will go look at MMA videos. It's not like the NFL or something like that. Eventually more facts will come out and if we find out Stephens was that far above 145, like you said, then everyone will support Ortega's decision. If it comes out that Stephens was definitely in striking distance of making that weight, Ortega will get grief about it.
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That's your opinion and thats fine. However, its not apples to apples. Having a month to prepare for a non title fight isn't the same as 1.5 days to take a title fight with a guy you're 99% wont make weight.
However, Ortega is ready to fight. All he has to do is say he'll fight if Stephens makes the weight. He's there, the UFC is going to cover his per diem and expenses whether he fights or not. Everything is stacked in his favor here and he's shutting it down.
It's not apples to apples, but that's not my point. The point is - he stepped in late and took advantage of that opportunity, and Frankie was cool with it because Frankie was already on track and ready to go. Now that Ortega is in Frankie's spot, he doesn't want to give someone a chance. But again, we'll only resolve this if we find out what Stephens weighs right now. Stephens needs to put up a video of him on a scale, then we'll know.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 4:08 pm to starsandstripes
I think the last part is what I’m saying isn’t apples to apples. Frankie had a month to prepare for Ortega. Had the switch been made on the Thursday before the fight who knows what Frankie would have said. Having a month for an opponent switch isn’t the same as a day. Also Frankie is on record as saying he needed the fight bc he hadn’t fought in a year and had already missed the first fight with Holloway bc of an eye injury. Ortega has been very active and doesn’t have to fight this week.
Gun to my head I think they do Stephens/Ortega on the aug 5th card in Cali
Gun to my head I think they do Stephens/Ortega on the aug 5th card in Cali
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:28 pm to starsandstripes
Write us an essay on the mma junkie comments when the info comes out
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:34 pm to PT24-7
still a bitch move by ortega. he had fans that wanted to see him fight, payed good money to get there. he is bigger than stephens anyway, so the weight isnt even an issue, and if stephens didnt make weight, he wouldnt have had a shot for the interim title anyway.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:35 pm to PT24-7
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I think the last part is what I’m saying isn’t apples to apples. Frankie had a month to prepare for Ortega. Had the switch been made on the Thursday before the fight who knows what Frankie would have said. Having a month for an opponent switch isn’t the same as a day. Also Frankie is on record as saying he needed the fight bc he hadn’t fought in a year and had already missed the first fight with Holloway bc of an eye injury. Ortega has been very active and doesn’t have to fight this week.
Gun to my head I think they do Stephens/Ortega on the aug 5th card in Cali
Those are good points. I saw some posts / tweets from Holloway and they were all lucid. Maybe he didn't write them, but I'm just assuming he did. Seems he may already be feeling normal again. If so, that card in Cali would be ideal for him and Ortega. If not, then it would be ideal for Stephens / Ortega since both are from Cali.
This whole mess has the potential to leave Frankie and Jose Aldo in odd situations.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:40 pm to Maximus
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Write us an essay on the mma junkie comments when the info comes out
Even better, compare the comments here with those at mma junkie and similar sites. There's a high correspondence. I consider the regular commenters in these mma threads on TD to be pretty reasonable and representative of mma fans.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:12 pm to starsandstripes
TUF on FS1 has started.
1st fight: Tyler Diamond v Bryce Mitchell
1st fight: Tyler Diamond v Bryce Mitchell
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:15 pm to starsandstripes
AT my sons basketball game, please give updates
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:20 pm to PT24-7
2 rounds complete, very close fight so far, I'd call it 19-19. Wouldnt surprise me if both these guys get contracts now or in the near future.
Round 3 is where Diamond really faded in his last fight. We'll see how it goes in 3rd round.
Round 3 is where Diamond really faded in his last fight. We'll see how it goes in 3rd round.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:24 pm to starsandstripes
Diamond definitely won round 3, so we'll see what the judges have to say about round 1 and 2.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:27 pm to starsandstripes
Well that’s good bc he def broke the 3rd rd of his last fight
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:28 pm to starsandstripes
29-28 29-28 28-28, so they gave 10-8 to Diamond in 3rd round
Bryce Mitchell gets the win by majority decision
Bryce Mitchell gets the win by majority decision
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