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re: Tua, Hurts, Herbert, Burrow
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:30 am to Moustache
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:30 am to Moustache
Burrow
Herbert
Hurts
Tua
You can’t erase Burrow’s Super Bowl run and also have to take into consideration that his OL is complete garbage. Herbert is right there with Burrow, and then Hurts and Tua bring up the rear.
Herbert
Hurts
Tua
You can’t erase Burrow’s Super Bowl run and also have to take into consideration that his OL is complete garbage. Herbert is right there with Burrow, and then Hurts and Tua bring up the rear.
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:39 am to TTsTowel
You do realize Tua's OL has been worse than Jeaux's, right?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:41 am to SoFla Tideroller
And Joe has been better than Tua.
Also, Tua is made of glass. Always has been.
Also, Tua is made of glass. Always has been.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:41 am to Moustache
Y’all do know the team with the worst record gets the #1 draft pick, meaning in 2019-2020 the Bengals were the worst team in the NFL. By 2022 they were leading in the 4th quarter of the freaking Super Bowl. Until anyone of them makes a Super Bowl appearance, joe is the clear cut #1 qb of his draft class.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 7:42 am
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:47 am to Moustache
Look, I’ll grant there’s arguments to be made as to who has truly been better between Burrow and Herbert.
But Hurts over Burrow? What the heck could you have seen so far in their pro careers to have that thought?
But Hurts over Burrow? What the heck could you have seen so far in their pro careers to have that thought?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:36 am to Moustache
quote:How many took the bait?
Hurts
Burrow
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:52 am to Moustache
quote:
Throwing to wide open guys yesterday
You are a fraud. Get off the bandwagon, too intellectually dishonest for the job.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:04 am to Moustache
Herbert
Burrow
Hurts
Tuna
Burrow
Hurts
Tuna
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:04 am to castorinho
quote:
Well, they have started half the games the other two have.
They all came into the league the same year.
Whose fault is it that Hurts and Tua have started fewer games? That doesn't exactly refute his statement that those two are further behind Burrow/Herbert. Regardless, Hurts has started 21 games to Burrow's 28, and Hurts has played in more NFL games than Burrow, 32 to Burrow's 28, and he's only played in two fewer than Herbert
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:06 am to ragincajun03
quote:
What the heck could you have seen so far in their pro careers to have that thought?
Hurts had a good game in week 2 of the 2022 NFL season and Burrow didn't. That's how things work on here
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:11 am to lsufball19
quote:
Hurts had a good game in week 2 of the 2022 NFL season and Burrow didn't. That's how things work on here
Yeah, statistically speaking it's
Burrow/Herbert
Tua
Hurts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:12 am to lsufball19
quote:
That doesn't exactly refute his statement that those two are further behind Burrow/Herbert. Regardless, Hurts has started 21 games to Burrow's 28, and Hurts has played in more NFL games than Burrow, 32 to Burrow's 28
How do you define "behind?" Does Herbert have more wins than Tua? How many wins did Burrows have before Chase got there? Lots of things define progress at different stages of their career.
Most analyses are idiots because they don't measure success by anything other than their personal opinion.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:14 am to Packer
Burrow has regressed....maybe the surgery, no preseason, but he is NOT good this year.
Holds the ball way too long.....he doesn't read defenses worth a shite anymore. I think defenses know his tendencies and he is not adjusting.
Holds the ball way too long.....he doesn't read defenses worth a shite anymore. I think defenses know his tendencies and he is not adjusting.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:37 am to bamameister
quote:
Most analyses are idiots because they don't measure success by anything other than their personal opinion.
Here are the objective measurables for all 4. Of course saying "who's the best" is an opinion. There's no objective measurement of "the best QB."
Burrow
12-15-1 record as starter
3-1 in the postseason
7836 yds (279.9 ypg), 67.8 comp%, 7.7 YPA, 97.8 RAT, 50 TDs, 23 INT, 4.9 TD%, 2.3 INT%
333 rushing yards, 5 TDs
Herbert
16-18 record as a starter
0-0 in postseason
9963 yds (293 ypg), 66.6 comp%, 7.4 YPA, 98.8 RAT, 75 TDs, 26 INT, 5.6 TD%, 1.9 INT%
538 rushing yards, 8 TDs
Hurts
11-10 record as a starter
0-1 in the postseason
4781 yds (149.4 ypg), 60.0 comp%, 7.4 ypa, 85.9 RAT, 23 TDs, 14 INT, 3.6 TD%, 2.2 INT%
1285 rushing yards, 16 TDs
Tua
15-8 record as a starter
0-0 in postseason
5206 yards (208.6 ypg), 66.8 comp%, 6.8 YPA, 91.8 RAT, 34 TDs, 17 INT, 4.5 TD%, 2.2 INT%
238 rushing yards, 6 TDs
quote:
Does Herbert have more wins than Tua?
yes
quote:
How many wins did Burrows have before Chase got there?
more than Hurts did before Smith got to the Eagles
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:47 am to lsufball19
quote:
Does Herbert have more wins than Tua?
yes
Tua - 15-8
Herbert 16-18
Herbert has one more win and 10 more losses.
Define better?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:54 am to bamameister
We're really using team stats now?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:57 am to Moustache
I'll take the QB with the best record since that's what it's all about.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:58 am to bamameister
quote:
Define better?
Well if you compare all their measurables, Herbert leads Tua in nearly everything (most of them not even being particularly close). Why don't you define better since you seem to have an issue with people saying Herbert is better than Tua, which really isn't a controversial take whatsoever.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:00 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
quote:
take the QB with the best playoff record since that's what it's all about.
Fify
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:05 am to lsufball19
quote:
Well if you compare all their measurables, Herbert leads Tua in nearly everything (most of them not even being particularly close). Why don't you define better since you seem to have an issue with people saying Herbert is better than Tua, which really isn't a controversial take whatsoever.
What it says is, that Herbert had a head start. A ready-made organization that was doing what McDaniels is doing for Tua this year. Playing to the QBs strength and putting pieces around them.
Miami had a moron for a head coach, an organization from the top down that didn't believe and recently got jacked for 1st and 3rd round picks because of it.
Perception is reality. Until it changes.
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