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re: True or False: soccer players are second tier athletes

Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:58 pm to
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Posted by ThePoo
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:58 pm to
People don't even agree on what "being more athletic is"


But the way I view athleticism I would switch that around. When I think of someone being athletic I think of the guy that can go shoot some buckets, makes some catches, make some throws, kick around the ball all while looking coordinated and not like a fool. Maybe he is not elite at any of the things not involved with his respective sport but he can hold his own when playing the other sports with amateurs

I see athleticism as simply having the fitness, stamina, coordination and agility to transition from sport to sport without looking like a toddler learning to walk

So while many maybe view NBA players as the most athletic of the pro leagues, I view them lower on the spectrum than most professional leagues as far as athleticism
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:58 pm to
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No he didn't.



He said that all across the world top-tier athletes play soccer. How does that not counter
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soccer players are second tier athletes


???


Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:59 pm to
If you cherry picked the players with the best soccer style athletic build in the NBA and NFL and gave them two years to do nothing but play soccer with elite coaches and trainers they could probably be a lower tier MLS team.

Baseball GTFO. Those guys are no more athletic than soccer players, and in often cases less athletic. Soccer and baseball are similar in that they're very skill based sports, pitching and hitting are developed over time and help you very little in other sports.

NFL you're talking just skill position players and some scat backs. NBA you're basically only talking PG's and SG's. Anyone over about 6'6 is gonna be too slow to play anything other than goalie and a very one dimensional striker.

So within the three sports you idiotically made blanket statements there's only about a couple hundred players out of thousands that would even have a shot. And even then the best they would become is MLS level. They wouldn't stand a chance against elite competition.

Also, I don't know when/what school you went to, but any school with a decent middle-upper middle class population now is going to have soccer players who are absolutely playing soccer by choice and not bc they don't have other options.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:59 pm to
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He still played it quite a bit
So the fact I played basketball in my youth means I could go out and do it? I mean it has been 10 years since I shot a basketball...

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He also wasn't competing against the starters
Competing against a guy who practices and works on it every day. I would hope he would get embarrassed.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:00 pm to
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If you cherry picked the players with the best soccer style athletic build in the NBA and NFL and gave them two years to do nothing but play soccer with elite coaches and trainers they could probably be a lower tier MLS team.



No, just no. Y'all have no clue the talent it takes to play pro soccer and the years it takes to develop that talent.

ETA: Or by lower tier did you mean worst in the league and wouldn't win a game? Because that would be an attainable goal.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 3:02 pm
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:01 pm to
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When I think of someone being athletic I think of the guy that can go shoot some buckets, makes some catches, make some throws, kick around the ball all while looking coordinated and not like a fool.


I would agree...100%.

To be a pro soccer player, you absolutely have to be able to
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kick around the ball all while looking coordinated and not like a fool.


The majority of football players dont
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makes some catches, make some throws,


And there are a lot of pro NBA players that are terrible at
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shoot some buckets,

Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:03 pm to
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If you cherry picked the players with the best soccer style athletic build in the NBA and NFL and gave them two years to do nothing but play soccer with elite coaches and trainers they could probably be a lower tier MLS team.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:03 pm to
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Competing against a guy who practices and works on it every day. I would hope he would get embarrassed.



But the OP is saying that any top athlete in the NBA/MLB/NFL could step in and be a star in soccer.


Seriously. It's like saying OBJ could quit the NFL and be an NBA all star PG/SG by this time next year. It's just stupid.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:03 pm to
It's all about perspective. If you would take this group and put them into a time machine to travel back to the toddler age and let them train their entire lives at only soccer, then this would be the best team in the world.

Mike Trout
Andrew McCutchen
Earl Thomas
Odell Beckham Jr
Jarvis Landry
Adam Jones
Manny Machado
Eric Berry
Darrelle Revis
Jordan Burroughs
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb
Tyrann Mathieu
Patrick Peterson
Dez Bryant
Julio Jones
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:04 pm to
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If you would take this group and put them into a time machine to travel back to the toddler age and let them train their entire lives at only soccer, then this would be the best team in the world.
They are stud athletes so they would automatically be great at soccer?
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:04 pm to
He did not reply to the OP, he replied to a comment about training for a year.... Then used a player who played as a youth for a point of reference.


I do believe there are several MLB players in the league and minors that could quit and focus entirely on soccer and become good enough to see some action in a lower league. I do not think that any would be elite or that OBJ would be elite if he focused on it. However, using Ocho as a point of reference when replying to a comment about training for a year does not prove any point imo.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:04 pm to
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do you know why there arent that many 6'0+ soccer players on the field?


Sorry, I had to comment on this because it is a common myth for many countries. I haven't looked but I can pretty much guarantee you more than half of the US men's national team is 6 feet or taller in height.

Even the Asian teams nowadays have decent height, especially on their backline.

That said you are kinda right, other than keepers you don't see many soccer players taller than 6'4"
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:05 pm to
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So the fact I played basketball in my youth means I could go out and do it? I mean it has been 10 years since I shot a basketball...

No, but I think you would have a leg up on a lot of the pro athletes from the inner cities.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:06 pm to
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If you cherry picked the players with the best soccer style athletic build in the NBA and NFL and gave them two years to do nothing but play soccer with elite coaches and trainers they could probably be a lower tier MLS team.


No they couldn't. It's too skilled of a game. You think you could teach Christiano Ronaldo how to be an MLB level shortstop in 2 years?
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:07 pm to
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t's all about perspective. If you would take this group and put them into a time machine to travel back to the toddler age and let them train their entire lives at only soccer, then this would be the best team in the world.


No, they wouldn't.

Ghana's had some of the most naturally gifted physical specimens of the last 10 years and they couldn't even make the quarters at the World Cup.
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:07 pm to
The MLS is some poo. I very much have an idea, I promise I have just as much soccer experience as anyone on this board.

I'm not making the same blanket statements as everyone else. Two years is a long time for elite athletes to do nothing but play soccer. If you literally picked the 18 best guys from the NBA and NFL, the ones with the best soccer build and the ones who took to it naturally the best, and put them through a two year, no vacation, intensive tactics, technique, training regiment, they wouldn't be embarrassed against most of the MLS teams.

Play disciplined, long balls, and crosses. I think they wouldn't be embarrassed. Don't even know if they would win a game, but they wouldn't lose 10-0 every time. Which is what would happen in the initial hypothetical
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:07 pm to
No the only thing I would have is an understanding of how the game played. It wouldn't give me an advantage in any other way.
Posted by tigerskin
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:07 pm to
Do u know any of the baseball coaches at Ponchatoula high?
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 3:10 pm to
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I haven't looked but I can pretty much guarantee you more than half of the US men's national team is 6 feet or taller in height

The average is about 6'.
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