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re: Tougher Goalie Job: Hockey or Soccer?
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:32 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:32 pm to Chad504boy
Lacrosse 
It's hard to say, because hockey and soccer are just different. They require different responsibilities.
It's hard to say, because hockey and soccer are just different. They require different responsibilities.
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Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:33 pm to rondo
quote:
Lacrosse goalie
Yep
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:36 pm to Chad504boy
I would think Hockey goalie, but just barely.
On a similar note. I think soccer would be much more intersting if they didn't allow a goalie at all. You could have a five foot box around the goal that no one could go in, a ten foot box where the players for that teams goal can touch the ball with their hands and outside of that it's regular rules. It would make the games way more exciting because every kick could mean something.
On a similar note. I think soccer would be much more intersting if they didn't allow a goalie at all. You could have a five foot box around the goal that no one could go in, a ten foot box where the players for that teams goal can touch the ball with their hands and outside of that it's regular rules. It would make the games way more exciting because every kick could mean something.
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:38 pm to Chad504boy
Soccer, no doubt
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:45 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
HOCKEY:
Goal is 6' by 4' total area is 24 sq.ft.
a puck is 1" high and 3" wide
- pucks can come in at different shapes, minimum of 3 sq.in. and maximum of 7.07 sq.in.
Puck takes up 0.205% of the goal coming in vertically and 0.0868% coming in completely horizontal
SOCCER:
Goal is 24' by 8' total area of 192 sq.ft.
soccer ball has an area of 60 sq.in.
Soccer ball takes up 0.217% of the goal
Goal is 6' by 4' total area is 24 sq.ft.
a puck is 1" high and 3" wide
- pucks can come in at different shapes, minimum of 3 sq.in. and maximum of 7.07 sq.in.
Puck takes up 0.205% of the goal coming in vertically and 0.0868% coming in completely horizontal
SOCCER:
Goal is 24' by 8' total area of 192 sq.ft.
soccer ball has an area of 60 sq.in.
Soccer ball takes up 0.217% of the goal
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:47 pm to mylsuhat
quote:
There's really no difference here
What's the % a human body takes up in goal space?
Posted on 6/14/10 at 1:48 pm to Chad504boy
thats not a constant
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:04 pm to mylsuhat
Assuming 6'3" soccer goalie (Tim Howard)
with arms and legs extended, his area would be about 39.06 sq.ft.
Assuming 5'11" hockey goalie ( LINK)
(further assuming on his knees mostly so height of 4'6")
With arms and 1/2 legs extended (still kneeling) his area would be ~20.25 sq.ft.
subtract that from the goal areas mentioned earlier:
Open space in a Hockey goal with static goalie is 3.75 sq.in. (15.625%)
Open space in a Soccer goal with static goalie is 152.94 sq.in. (79.66%)
DISCLAIMER: Hockey one is tough to be accurate with
with arms and legs extended, his area would be about 39.06 sq.ft.
Assuming 5'11" hockey goalie ( LINK)
(further assuming on his knees mostly so height of 4'6")
With arms and 1/2 legs extended (still kneeling) his area would be ~20.25 sq.ft.
subtract that from the goal areas mentioned earlier:
Open space in a Hockey goal with static goalie is 3.75 sq.in. (15.625%)
Open space in a Soccer goal with static goalie is 152.94 sq.in. (79.66%)
DISCLAIMER: Hockey one is tough to be accurate with
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:21 pm to mylsuhat
will someone please look at what i did so that its not a complete waste
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:26 pm to mylsuhat
what about the puck to goal and soccer ball to goal ratio?
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:32 pm to Suntiger
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:33 pm to mylsuhat
what about the speed velocity of skates vs cleats?
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:37 pm to Chad504boy
Hockey goalies give up 3 or 4 goals a game. Soccer 1? Hockey must be harder. Hockey also WAY more physically demanding.
I could actually play soccer goalie right now (albeit not very well) I would never dream of trying to play hockey goalie.
I could actually play soccer goalie right now (albeit not very well) I would never dream of trying to play hockey goalie.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:38 pm to mylsuhat
Playing keeper for soccer has more angles to deal with. You always have to know where your posts are. You can come off your line too far and get chipped. There are many variables involved. In my useless opinion, you have to be crazy to play either.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:39 pm to Chad504boy
Do soccer goalies stand on their heads? If not I think Hockey wins, no doubt
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:40 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Let us calculate the forces at work in a well taken free kick. Assuming that the velocity of the ball is about 70 mph and that the spin is about 8-10 revolutions per second, then the lift force turns out to be about 3.5 N. Since the ball would be in flight for 1 s over its 30 m trajectory, the lift force could make the ball deviate by as much as 4 m from its normal straight-line course.
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:41 pm to Suntiger
This year in the NHL, the top goalie saved 97.9% of his shots. The #30 guy saved 91.3%
In the EPL, the top keeper saved 80% of his shots, while the #20 guy was at 61%.
In both sports, the guy in goal is heavily reliant on the players in front of him, but I think that the soccer keeper has a more difficult job because of what's at stake with so few opportunities.
OR, we can put this another way. Let's say that you're considering taking a course from one of two professors. In one class, the average grade is 92 out of 100. In the other, the average grade is 70 out of 100. Which do you think is easier?
In the EPL, the top keeper saved 80% of his shots, while the #20 guy was at 61%.
In both sports, the guy in goal is heavily reliant on the players in front of him, but I think that the soccer keeper has a more difficult job because of what's at stake with so few opportunities.
OR, we can put this another way. Let's say that you're considering taking a course from one of two professors. In one class, the average grade is 92 out of 100. In the other, the average grade is 70 out of 100. Which do you think is easier?
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:43 pm to Sophandros
good point!
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:45 pm to Sophandros
quote:
OR, we can put this another way. Let's say that you're considering taking a course from one of two professors. In one class, the average grade is 92 out of 100. In the other, the average grade is 70 out of 100. Which do you think is easier?
Or we can play bazeball, hit 30% of the time and be considered great.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 2:59 pm to Chad504boy
It's not just about stopping the ball. Soccer goalies often have to be smart about when to start a counter attack, or when to slow it down. Hockey goalies (while some, like Turco, for example are good with starting offense), don't have to worry about that as much. (This is another reason why lacrosse goalie is the toughest goalie position in sports, because it's the most difficult to stop the ball in and you HAVE to be good at clearing the ball, or you're screwed).
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