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I hate agreeing with SDV but two days ago the narrative was that all these vets were lining up to play next to Lonzo and to be a lakers for 1 year deals. Now no one wants that and the lakers and you're praising it all the same

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George Hill and Waiters were really the only two impact players that had any interest in a one year deal. WCA accurately predicted Hill was using us as leverage for a bigger contract elsewhere. Waiters wasn't going to happen unless Hayward signed with Miami.

I'm completely fine with letting the young players develop and maintain as much cap space as possible for 2018. Making a move just to make one is fricking stupid and the reason why Jim Buss and Mitch are no longer in charge

Looks like Demetrius Jackson might be the second Boston casualty after Olynik

Increasing rumors that Smart may be OKC bound

Utah about to get some compensation

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Jazz, Celtics engage on Gordon Hayward sign-and-trade for Jae Crowder. Latest story with

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Jazz, Celtics engage on Gordon Hayward sign-and-trade for Jae Crowder. Latest story with

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I've been comparing the statistics of Hayward and Crowder, and Crowder has a better real +/- in each of the last 2 season, while Hayward has a better box +/-. Averaging them all out, Hayward is about +0.3 points better per 100 possessions.

What becomes staggering though is the on-off statistics. Last season Crowder was +7.8 with an on-off of +11.4 during the regular season, and he was -2 with an on-off +2.4 during the playoffs. Hayward was +6.6 with an on-off of +5.7 during the regular season, and he was -8.3 with an on-off of -17.7 during the playoffs.

During the 7 game Clippers series (GSW could skew those stats) Hayward was -10 on and his team +18 when he was off the court. In fact, he only had a positive +/- in 2 of the games. On the other hand, during the Chicago (6 games) and Washington (7 games) series Crowder was +52 while his team was -4 when he was off the court.

Crowder is set to make 21 million over the NEXT 3 SEASONS COMBINED, while Hayward is set to make about 32 million PER SEASON.

25 million dollars more per season seems awfully high for essentially swapping those two players. I don't think Hayward provides as much benefit as people seem to think, especially at those salary figures.

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Lakers fans are in denial that they are the new Clippers

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This website ( LINK) has the over/under wins for the Clippers next season at 34.5.

The over/under for the Lakers is at 36.5.

The Clippers may be back to being the Clippers.

You're taking a lot of liberty with some small sample sizes there.


If Utah called last year and offered Hayward for Crowder straight up, does Boston (or any team) take a half a second to say yes?

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I get what you're saying but the numbers wouldn't be that similar if the opposing team would gameplan around Crowder like they do Hayward in Utah. Not saying Hayward is gunna finish top 10 in scoring, but IT's presence is gunna give him a lot more looks.

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Probably. At the same time, with them losing Olynyk, they are losing 2 players who are better defenders than Hayward (not saying he's a poor defender).

So their offensive will improve, but with IT already being a horrible defender, their defense is likely to get worse, and they were already worse at defense than offense (largely because of IT). So unless Tatum and Brown progress quickly, they will probably be less deep as well.

I just think the potential of Hayward's addition is not significant, expecially paying him 20 million more than the two players they are losing.

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If Utah called last year and offered Hayward for Crowder straight up, does Boston (or any team) take a half a second to say yes?

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Of course they take it, but he's not worth 25 million more dollars than Crowder and 20 million more dollars than Crowder and Olynyk combined.

Frankly, I think in the end, Hayward's addition will provide minimal benefit. The key will be Tatum's and Brown's development, which would have been the case anyway.

Now if they had gotten Butler (especially) or George instead, they would have been far better off since they are better players (especially Butler), and address that major defensive weakness because IT is such a terrible defender.

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I get what you're saying, but at the same time Hayward has the ceiling of a #1 option while Crowder was 3-4th (depends where you place him before or after Horford). Teams will plan for Hayward, they plan for IT > Bradley/Horford > Crowder.

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You're probably right, but Crowder also had a ridiculous 57.2% EFG last season, but his usage was only 17. I think IT (34 usage), makes the other players appear less capable offensively, especially with only 5.9 assists.

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Boston needs the star power and they have 2 young buck SFs on the roster who have higher ceilings than Crowder so he's he odd man out.

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But the potential was contingent on then with or without Hayward.

Look I'm obviously biased as a Cavs fan, but I would have been far more worried about Boston if they for George or Butler. I think Hayward is far less valuable than those two, specifically Butler.