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re: Tom Brady on developing a young QB in the NFL
Posted on 8/20/24 at 7:56 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 8/20/24 at 7:56 am to H-Town Tiger
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In some cases like Allen it works out in part because of good coaching and a stable organization
RIP Jamarcus Russell
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
JR is the ultimate example of everything set up to fail. Amazing physical talent but shitty organization, shitty coaching, player that doesn’t live/breath/eat/sleep football.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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RIP Jamarcus Russell
Jamarcus would have failed wherever he went
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:08 am to AHM21
We live in an instant gratification culture and what he's talking about directly ties in.
Nobody wants to invest and build long term, it's all about whatever I can get right now.
The entire ecosphere is built around that mentality.
Nobody wants to invest and build long term, it's all about whatever I can get right now.
The entire ecosphere is built around that mentality.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:12 am to StansberryRules
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We live in an instant gratification culture
And people said the same thing when Brady was playing and when Montana was playing etc. People have always waxed nostalgic for the past, when they were young. “Society” wasn’t more patient in the late 90s and early 2000s, it’s just guys Brady’s age were in their 20s.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:29 am to chalmetteowl
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Jamarcus would have failed wherever he went
He did face some life issues right as he entered the NFL, so that may have derailed him wherever, but he was going to fail in Oakland no matter what. Pretty much anyone would have.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:30 am to H-Town Tiger
I mean, it's always been true. Modern society has always been trying to prioritize efficiency and immediacy.
The internet, social media, streaming, mobile phones, it kicked it off into hyperdrive.
It's reflected in sports in an undeniable way.
Transfers in college football used to be ultra rare, now they are the norm.
NFL players playing most of their career with one or two teams was very common, now that's basically unheard of. It's not uncommon to change teams every few years.
Coaches used to remain at NFL teams for many years with regularity, it's rare for an NFL coach to last these days.
This isn't grumpy old man talk, these are real fundamental changes that are undeniable.
The internet, social media, streaming, mobile phones, it kicked it off into hyperdrive.
It's reflected in sports in an undeniable way.
Transfers in college football used to be ultra rare, now they are the norm.
NFL players playing most of their career with one or two teams was very common, now that's basically unheard of. It's not uncommon to change teams every few years.
Coaches used to remain at NFL teams for many years with regularity, it's rare for an NFL coach to last these days.
This isn't grumpy old man talk, these are real fundamental changes that are undeniable.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:41 am to AHM21
All they need is a lacerated spleen from the starter to help them out...right Tom? Drew Bledsoe died for this.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:57 am to StansberryRules
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This isn't grumpy old man talk, these are real fundamental changes that are undeniable.
The players didn’t move because they weren’t allowed. Free agency didn’t exist in the NFL until the 90s and college players couldn’t transfer without permission and having to sit out until now. It’s not they were more loyal or bought into program development they didn’t have a choice.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 9:01 am to StansberryRules
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Coaches used to remain at NFL teams for many years with regularity, it's rare for an NFL coach to last these days.
This simply selective bias at best. Teams have routinely fired coaches after a few years forever. As just one example the Saints had 5 coaches in their first 14 years (7 counting 2 interim) none lasted 4 years. Yea Tom Landry coached one team for a long time, so did Belichick. Pittsburgh has only had 3 coaches in 55 years or so but everyone else flips them constantly and always has.
You should check out the Pessimists Archieve, it has all kinds of old articles about the terrible things kids were doing that were destroying society in the 1890s
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 8/20/24 at 9:15 am to StansberryRules
Used to have walk 3 miles in the snow, uphill BOTH ways to get to practice.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:20 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:Almost never. And look how many nfl teams have fricked up recently thinking they could recreate that.
I will admit to being 100% wrong on Josh Allen. How many guys have ever really had the accuracy issue corrected?
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:28 am to jangalang
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NFL might not like him as an in-game announcer lol!
Yup. They toned Romo down because all the single moms and casuals want their announcers to be generic and use the same phrases and topics over and over again. The suite want them to hit the same buzz topics over and over again.
Haven’t watched the video in the OP but it’s probably the same one that made the rounds on tiktok. The root cause of the problem comes up from high school and into college. Passing takes time and effort to develop. Most high school coaches aren’t qualified to truly develop a passer so they just go with their best athlete and that’s who gets sent up. College coaches have to design one or two read passing schemes and if those reads aren’t open, tell your athlete to take off and make some highlight reel play.
Limiting practice time at all levels is terrible for skill development as well.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:52 am to Dairy Sanders
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Passing takes time and effort to develop. Most high school coaches aren’t qualified to truly develop a passer
This might make sense if there was a death of good QBs but there isn’t. There have always been a handful of elite QBs and highly touted/drafted guys that busts. There is simply no evidence the “old” ways of QBs sitting and waiting was better or led to more good QBs.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:20 am to Bunk Moreland
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How many guys have ever really had the accuracy issue corrected?
He never had accuracy issues. Media members and fans saw his completion percentage and viewed it in a vacuum with no context. How many passes did he have dropped? How many routes were run incorrectly/receivers out of position? Were his receivers getting open and giving him good windows? What was his average pass depth? Was his timing off or was he making the wrong reads?
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:27 am to Dairy Sanders
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Most high school coaches aren’t qualified to truly develop a passer
If anything had advanced the development of QBs the past 20+ years, it's the fact that this statement is a lot less true in 2024 than in 2000.
High school passing offenses, in general, are so much more advanced than they were in the past. QBs are taught how to read the field, how to throw the ball, etc. at much more competent levels today.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:44 am to H-Town Tiger
That’s false.
Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Jackson, Stafford, Cousins, Goff, Tua, and Herbert all sat to various degrees to start their NFL careers. Hell the only current top 10 QBs who didn’t sit are Burrow and Dak and Dak only started because of an injury.
Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Jackson, Stafford, Cousins, Goff, Tua, and Herbert all sat to various degrees to start their NFL careers. Hell the only current top 10 QBs who didn’t sit are Burrow and Dak and Dak only started because of an injury.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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High school passing offenses, in general, are so much more advanced than they were in the past. QBs are taught how to read the field, how to throw the ball, etc. at much more competent levels today.
Not really. More routes are added but most of these guys are only doing 1-2 reads (Murray, Fields, Williams, Zach Wilson). I will say that the more traditional QBs like Rodgers, Herbert, Tua, Burrow, and Mahomes were taught how to read a defense better than their peers and while they are athletic, they are taught to scramble to find an opportunity to pass rather than scramble to get rushing yards immediately.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:00 pm to AHM21
I wish skeletor would go away
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:55 pm to Dairy Sanders
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That’s false. Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Jackson, Stafford, Cousins, Goff, Tua, and Herbert all sat to various degrees to start their NFL careers
First of all we need to define “sit”. Generally I would consider guys that did not play or start the first year until maybe the last game or 2 or in a case like Jackson or Hurts a few plays here and there. Tua was hurt Goff played week 10 on and Cousins was a 5th round pick sitting behind a rookie who did start right away.
Herbert started week 2 his rookie year, that it was only due to injury is irrelevant since he had a monster year. If anything it shows sitting is unnecessary since they spent the entire summer game planning around T Taylor.
Allen split time in game 1 and 6, he started and played the entire game weeks 2-5. Was inactive wk 7-10 then started the rest of his rookie year.
Stafford started game the first 4 games and 10 total as a rookie, he was hurt that year and next his first for several games.
Big Ben did not start the opener or last game as a rookie but did all 14 in between.
I don’t count those 4 as sitting, Burrow, Stroud, Wilson, P Manning just to name a few all started snap 1 and did just fine
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 1:57 pm
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