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re: Tiger may not have been 2 yards back like he said
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:03 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:03 am to CocomoLSU
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So basically, what people are saying about the Masters can also apply for every other major as well
correct. The biggest event that the PGA Tour holds in the Players Championship and I guess you can throw in the newly formed playoffs in that too
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:06 am to texastiger38
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The PGA tour has no input on how the Augusta National executives run the tournament. ANGC, plays the event under USGA rules, but Augusta National controls the entire event, like COTiger said, from the people invited, how it is set up, and yes TV coverage.
Right, I understand that. But this is from Wiki's page on golf's majors:
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Each of the majors has a distinct history, and they are run by four different golf organizations
So why does everyone seem to make a big deal about the Masters in regard to this? Every tournament is run by its own organization...the only one actually "run" by the PGA is the PGA.
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Yeah basically
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correct. The biggest event that the PGA Tour holds in the Players Championship and I guess you can throw in the newly formed playoffs in that too
Good. Then I'm not taking crazy pills.
It was making zero sense why people kept saying that when everything I saw led me to believe that the same thing could be said for any other major as well.This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 8:08 am
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:08 am to CocomoLSU
The PGA does not mean the PGA Tour. Two different organizations
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:09 am to threeputt
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The PGA does not mean the PGA Tour. Two different organizations
Right. The PGA of America runs the PGAC, like I said on the last page.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:11 am to CocomoLSU
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So why does everyone seem to make a big deal about the Masters in regard to this
Mainly because this is the only thing they do all year.
The R&A does several championships overseas.
The USGA does the US Open, US Womens Open, and US Senior Open
The PGA does the PGA Championship, Senior PGA, and the Ryder Cup every 2 years.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:16 am to CocomoLSU
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CocomoLSU
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:19 am to Rittdog
The Masters is run by Augusta National in every way. But, they basically hire the exact same people that every other PGA event uses. They use the same rules officials, committees, etc. Saying they aren't governed by the PGA is misleading. They are basically governed by the PGA on behalf of the members of Augusta National, just like every other major.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:21 am to Rittdog
i'm curious if a player hits the ball fat in the water and drops in the same spot would he ever drop in his divot? has anyone ever seen someone do this? i think most players would drop just outside the divot. is this cheating?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:22 am to CocomoLSU
quote:the same reason that people say golf is the most prestigious sport with the most integrity.
So why does everyone seem to make a big deal about the Masters in regard to this?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:22 am to tiger2012
Well since no one will really know exactly what happened, this is my take on the whole damn thing.
Tiger was obviously extremely frustrated with the unlucky result of the shot, and instinctively dropped where he was supposed to. Human nature is to act on instinct in a situation like that and I'm sure he has made a drop hundreds of thousands of times.
When questioned about the drop later, Tiger second guessed himself. His heightened sense of emotion during the whole event had clouded his memory, like when someone gets in a wreck, and he basically ended up falsely accusing himself during his interview.
Like I said in the thread over the weekend, there are dozens of drops that are way worse (according to the rules) every damn weekend, but no one ever raises a stink about them because they aren't televised. Out of sight out of mind.
Tiger was obviously extremely frustrated with the unlucky result of the shot, and instinctively dropped where he was supposed to. Human nature is to act on instinct in a situation like that and I'm sure he has made a drop hundreds of thousands of times.
When questioned about the drop later, Tiger second guessed himself. His heightened sense of emotion during the whole event had clouded his memory, like when someone gets in a wreck, and he basically ended up falsely accusing himself during his interview.
Like I said in the thread over the weekend, there are dozens of drops that are way worse (according to the rules) every damn weekend, but no one ever raises a stink about them because they aren't televised. Out of sight out of mind.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:25 am to lsugolf1105
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i'm curious if a player hits the ball fat in the water and drops in the same spot would he ever drop in his divot?
Yes.
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has anyone ever seen someone do this?
Yes. I have even done it in tournament play a couple of times. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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i think most players would drop just outside the divot. is this cheating?
Not necessarily. The rule is nearest point to the original spot, no closer to the hole. Your object should be to drop it very close, if not in it. If it goes in, oh well. Tough shite.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:26 am to threeputt
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This was not the case here. Tiger did not need a camera relay to know that he took a bad drop.
But it wasn't a bad drop. Rules committee said it wasn't a bad drop. Photos say it wasn't a bad drop. The false confession or admission of guilt when innocent is very disconcerting.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:29 am to CocomoLSU
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The Fred Riley dude said that someone called in originally about the drop, and that someone later called in after Tiger's interview, and that's what had led them to review both. So unless he was full out lying, a viewer calling in was exactly what caused all of this.
Hmm I guess I missed that. Either way, if Tiger had kept his mouth shut, nothing would have happened
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:29 am to Hurricane Mike
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You can never have too many Tiger dropping threads on tigerdroppings
FIFY
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:30 am to dgtiger3
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Like I said in the thread over the weekend, there are dozens of drops that are way worse (according to the rules) every damn weekend, but no one ever raises a stink about them because they aren't televised. Out of sight out of mind.
well said
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:31 am to unbeWEAVEable
quote:How stupid is it that this is the wording of the rule:
The rule is nearest point to the original spot, no closer to the hole. Your object should be to drop it very close, if not in it. If it goes in, oh well. Tough shite.
quote:Why can't they just be exact and give a distance instead of giving some freedom here? In other situations, the rules specifically state 2 club lengths. Why can't they just change this rule to have an exact distance given, even if it is a few inches. Just give an exact distance so that the matter is black and white.
Proceed under the stroke and distance provision of Rule 27-1 by playing a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:31 am to unbeWEAVEable
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Your object should be to drop it very close, if not in it. If it goes in, oh well. Tough shite.
i understand this but there is a big difference between trying to drop it in the divot and trying to drop it just outside the divot and it rolling in it. Should you try to drop it in the divot? do you think most players are trying to drop it in the divot? because by some interpretations of the rule, the player should try to drop it in the divot or he is cheating.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:34 am to lsugolf1105
quote:yep. the rule is gray, not black and white. it needs to be re-written with specific distances given for a drop.
because by some interpretations of the rule, the player should try to drop it in the divot or he is cheating.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:35 am to hashtag
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Why can't they just be exact and give a distance instead of giving some freedom here? In other situations, the rules specifically state 2 club lengths. Why can't they just change this rule to have an exact distance given, even if it is a few inches. Just give an exact distance so that the matter is black and white.
Agreed. Seems too easy to make it like that.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:38 am to CocomoLSU
quote:especially when they already have black and white rules for other drops.
Agreed. Seems too easy to make it like that.
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