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re: The NFL is starting to become concerned with the quality of QB coming up from college
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:04 am to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:04 am to Tiger Ugly
NFL offenses don't usually get past 1-2 reads.
Usually one half of the field is the man beater and one is the zone beater, with one primary read set up against how you read the defense.
Pass rushers are too fast to get more than 2 reads usually, so 1, 2, then move to see if a WR reads the busted play correctly and finds a pocket in the zone or can get open, then run or throw away.
NFL defenses today are way too good/fast to let you sit in the pocket and go through 3-4 progressions, and NFL offenses understood this a long time ago and adapted (largely taking the concepts from college, mind you).
Usually one half of the field is the man beater and one is the zone beater, with one primary read set up against how you read the defense.
Pass rushers are too fast to get more than 2 reads usually, so 1, 2, then move to see if a WR reads the busted play correctly and finds a pocket in the zone or can get open, then run or throw away.
NFL defenses today are way too good/fast to let you sit in the pocket and go through 3-4 progressions, and NFL offenses understood this a long time ago and adapted (largely taking the concepts from college, mind you).
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:05 am to RollTide1987
Transferring programs isn’t necessarily a bad thing in terms of development for the NFL. It can expose a player to more coaching styles and systems. They learn more than just Coach X’s way of doing things.
Would you rather your kid go through 9-12 in high school and have the same good math teacher every year or different (but equally good) math teachers every year? There are pros and cons to both, but some degree of variety is generally good for growth.
2) Less culture shock moving to the NFL. They have already adapted to totally different locations and circumstances 2-3 times.
3) Possibly better evaluation. If Tommy Touchdown burns it up at Texas and then goes over to Michigan and does there too (or wets the bed) in different circumstances, NFL teams probably have a better read on him.
And let’s not forget that arguably the two best quarterbacks in CFB history for one year (Newton and Burrow) were transfers who also became good NFL players. There are success stories in all circumstances, and it’s up to the players to decide what’s best for themselves.
Would you rather your kid go through 9-12 in high school and have the same good math teacher every year or different (but equally good) math teachers every year? There are pros and cons to both, but some degree of variety is generally good for growth.
2) Less culture shock moving to the NFL. They have already adapted to totally different locations and circumstances 2-3 times.
3) Possibly better evaluation. If Tommy Touchdown burns it up at Texas and then goes over to Michigan and does there too (or wets the bed) in different circumstances, NFL teams probably have a better read on him.
And let’s not forget that arguably the two best quarterbacks in CFB history for one year (Newton and Burrow) were transfers who also became good NFL players. There are success stories in all circumstances, and it’s up to the players to decide what’s best for themselves.
This post was edited on 10/28/26 at 7:07 am
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:12 am to Globetrotter747
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the two best quarterbacks in CFB history for one year (Newton and Burrow) were transfers who also became good NFL players.
Jayden Daniels
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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NFL offenses don't usually get past 1-2 reads.
Well, I defer to you here - I watch the Saints but not much other NFL games. But I do see that the NFL is having to simplify things for their QB's because they are coming up from college having the coaches practically doing all of the thinking for them.
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:20 am to Tiger Ugly
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But I do see that the NFL is having to simplify things for their QB's because they are coming up from college having the coaches practically doing all of the thinking for them.
It's not that.
Good NFL offensive minds figured out a while back that there isn't time to create offenses with 3+ reads (from the pocket).
People will see this and go "See, SFP? Some of the best QBs are the lowest 1st read throw % on the chart" and not realize guys like Allen and Lamar (1) are still throwing to the first read about 2/3 of the time and (2) are mobile QBs.
I can just put it this way: if your typical offensive play will not have time (due to defensive pressure) to get to read 3, why would you design an offense around 3+ reads?
It's not about "simplifying the offense" (because offenses are more complex than ever). It's just about being smart.
Again, go look at Watson's 2026 stats and where they'd rank in 1998.
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:24 am to Tiger Ugly
Rodgers has done some things like this, but this is a pretty good idea of what these guys are dealing with.
pride thread on Kirk Cousins.
pride thread on Kirk Cousins.
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, go look at Watson's 2026 stats and where they'd rank in 1998.
Look at Watson's 2026 stats and where they'd rank in 1978.
Bottom line, the game has changed a lot in the last 30 years. Rules have become more and more favorable to the offense and passing the football because throwing the ball is more exciting than running between the tackles.
Where would those stats rank in 2011?
This post was edited on 10/28/26 at 7:38 am
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:44 am to RollTide1987
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Rules have become more and more favorable to the offense
And defenses have gotten much better
Since 1998, about the only pro-defense move is the illegal contact, and that's rare. The development defenses have done far outweighs whatever balance the illegal contact rule takes away.
You also are using talking points from 2018-2020 and not realizing defenses adapted so well offenses in 2026 are much more in line with historical norms.
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Where would those stats rank in 2011?
Completion: 8th
Passer rating: 10th
INT: 3rd lowest
Yards: 14th
TDs: 19th
YPA: 16h
(Per AI)
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
So he'd be a mid-tier QB for 2011. In 2026 he's considered one of the best ones.
That's all I'm trying to say.
That's all I'm trying to say.
This post was edited on 10/28/26 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:58 am to RollTide1987
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. In 2026 he's considered one of best ones.
Deshawn Watson is not considered "one of the best" QBs in 2026
Posted on 10/28/26 at 8:25 am to RollTide1987
Could it be something as simple as fewer kids playing football these days?
This is total speculation, but I feel like soccer is now what football was when I was a kid. High level QB play has always required a certain amount of intellect and maybe those kids are choosing to play other sports.
This is total speculation, but I feel like soccer is now what football was when I was a kid. High level QB play has always required a certain amount of intellect and maybe those kids are choosing to play other sports.
Posted on 10/28/26 at 8:30 am to RollTide1987
The NFL should stop sending NFL teams overseas and restart NFL Europe as a minor league. Win-win. Develop players like Kurt Warner and LaRoy Glover and stop stealing games from NFL fans.
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