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timbo
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
What horse crap. You're going to penalize a guy for giving money to a charity? If I were Jerry Jones, I would leave an envelope with $13k in Zeke's locker.


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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
Also, Zeke said he did it because he was "bringing awareness to the Salvation Army".

That's complete nonsense. He did it as a "look at me" moment.

He's just using the Salvation Army as a shield against a fine to make the NFL look bad.


StupidBinder
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Maybe so. But it's the rule, and don't be surprised if you will be fined for breaking it.


He probably didn’t expect a fine because of the fact that the league is particularly inconsistent in the way they hand out discipline.


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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
true. the rule is probably in place to prevent athletes from promoting whatever products they can when they score in games. imagine if a player, let's say gronk for example because he did their commercials, scored and ran over to someone in the crowd and got a box of tide pods and held it up to the camera.

it would be supporting his own promotion and not in line with the league marketing strategy.


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burdman
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Also, Zeke said he did it because he was "bringing awareness to the Salvation Army".

That's complete nonsense. He did it as a "look at me" moment.


I disagree with your last post, but agree with all of this.


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JumpingTheShark
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Yes, it seems petty that they are fining him for it, but if they don't enforce the rules all the time then the rules are meaningless. And it's not even the breaking of the rule I care about... it's the audacity to be shocked that there is a consequence for it.


Also good sense and human decency still exist and when you take a step back and look at the net result here (a $13k fine for a $21 donation) it looks fricking ridiculous. This is when zero tolerance doesn’t make sense and does more harm than good.

ETA: they need to look at how much giving Zeke has generated for the SA and see if keeping him from doing this makes sense. They are willing to make exceptions to rules, exhibit A: the Lambeau leap.
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SpartyGator
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
frick the NFL


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Jcorye1
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
Christ on a cracker, they literally have a huge bucket on the field.


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MountainTiger
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Rules should always make provisions for common sense reasons.

Which is why the justice system allows a judge and jury to hear cases and impose penalties. But in the NFL Rog is cop, warden, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all in one.


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Dr RC
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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The Salvation Army is legitimately one of only a few charitable organizations that I’ve never heard anything negative about.


Like most church based organizations they have LGBTQ issues. There are a few other things as well.

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Criticism by LGBT activists

Because the Salvation Army is a church, Title VII of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964 allows it to inquire into people's religious beliefs in its hiring practices. The Salvation Army states that it does not "discriminate against hiring gays and lesbians for the majority of its roughly 55,000 jobs," but it has supported legislation which would allow it to deny employment and federally-funded services to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) individuals.

In 1997 the city of San Francisco enacted a law requiring all companies doing business with the city government to extend domestic benefits to same-sex partners of employees. In refusing to do so, the Salvation Army declined a US$3.5 million contract.[153] In 2001, the Salvation Army pressed the Bush Administration to exempt it and other religious groups from anti-discrimination legislation which it felt infringed on the organization's religious freedoms. This request was denied, and was sharply rebuked by David Smith, then-spokesperson for the Human Rights Campaign. "Gays and lesbians are taxpayers, too," said Smith. "Their money should not be used by religious groups to fund discriminatory practices against them."

The Salvation Army Western Territory approved a plan in October 2001 to start offering domestic partnership benefits to employees in same-sex relationships. Members of various evangelical Christian interest groups protested the decision. Focus on the Family founder James Dobson excoriated the Salvation Army for abandoning its "moral integrity" and urged his radio listeners to bombard the organisation's offices with phone calls and letters. The American Family Association also accused the Salvation Army of a "monstrous ... appeasement of sin" that resulted in a "betrayal of the church". In November 2001 the Salvation Army nationwide rescinded the Western Territory's decision with an announcement that it would only provide benefits coverage for different-sex spouses and dependent children of its employees.

In 2004, the Salvation Army said that it would close operations in New York City unless it was exempted from a municipal ordinance requiring them to offer benefits to gay employees' partners. The City Council refused to make the exemption. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s administration chose not to enforce the ordinance. The administration's right to decline to enforce the ordinance was upheld by the New York State Court of Appeals in 2006.

On 15 December 2012, in Canada, Andrea Le Good noticed a Salvation Army bell-ringer carrying a sign reading "if you support gay rights: please do not donate". While the bell-ringer claimed he had permission from the charity to wear the sign, Salvation Army spokeswoman Kyla Ferns said that it had no part in the sign, and that the bell-ringer was pulled away immediately when the charity learned about it. The charity's website describes marriage as heterosexual by definition, and a published document called on homosexuals to embrace celibacy as a way of life. The same document also states that there is no scriptural support for the mistreatment of homosexuals.

In February 2000, the Salvation Army in the United Kingdom publicly opposed the repeal of Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988, which prevented local authorities from "intentionally promot[ing] homosexuality". However, the organisation's UK website states that it offers "unconditional assistance and support regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation, respecting the identity and choices of all those referred to them. ... As well as having a right to be dealt with professionally, people can expect from us encouragement and a respect for their individual beliefs, ambitions and preferences".

Before the passing of the Homosexual Law Reform Act 1986 by the New Zealand Parliament, the Salvation Army was active throughout New Zealand gathering signatures for a petition seeking to prevent the bill's passing. In 2006, the Army released a statement regretting the ill feelings that persisted following this activity. It stated in part "We do understand though that The Salvation Army's official opposition to the Reform Bill was deeply hurtful to many, and are distressed that ill-feeling still troubles our relationship with segments of the gay community. We regret any hurt that may remain from that turbulent time and our present hope is to rebuild bridges of understanding and dialogue between our movement and the gay community."

Despite documented events of Salvation Army's volunteers and their views, the organisation has issued an LGBT Statement as a response. The statement does not address any documented news events of discrimination and claims to debunk these events as urban myth.

In November 2013 it was made known that the Salvation Army was referring LGBT individuals to one of several conversion therapy groups. As a response the Salvation Army removed such referrals from their website.

The Salvation Army's response

A positional statement on the Salvation Army UK and Ireland site stated (but has since been taken down):

The Salvation Army teaches that sexual acts should take place only in a monogamous heterosexual marriage, believing that this reflects God's intentions for sexual behaviour and provides the best environment for raising children.

The positional statement is, however, intended explicitly for members of the Salvation Army and the Salvation Army mission statement as of 2013 states:

The Salvation Army stands against homophobia, which victimises people and can reinforce feelings of alienation, loneliness and despair. We want to be an inclusive church community where members of the LGBT community find welcome and the encouragement to develop their relationship with God ... Our international mission statement is very clear on this point when it says we will "meet human needs in [Jesus'] name without discrimination". Anyone who comes through our doors will be welcomed with love and service, based on their need and our capacity to provide.

As of late 2013, activists were still calling on the Salvation Army to change its stance on LGBT issues, citing ongoing discrimination.

As of April 2018, the Inclusion page on the official UK website states that the Salvation Army stands against homophobia and does not permit discrimination in its employment practices or delivery of care.

On its USA Central Territory website, it explicitly claims that it serves and welcomes the LGBT community.
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Dr RC
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Canadian charity work

During the 2010 Christmas season, the Salvation Army in Calgary, Alberta, refused to accept toys based on the Harry Potter and Twilight franchises because of a perceived conflict with the organisation's religious principles. One volunteer claimed that the toys were destroyed instead of being given to other agencies. The volunteer also criticised the Salvation Army for accepting violence-themed toys such as plastic rifles while not accepting Harry Potter or Twilight toys. A Salvation Army captain said that the toys were given to other organisations, not disposed of. This policy is however, not universal, as the Wetaskiwin chapter of the Salvation Army has accepted Harry Potter toys. One captain called the series "a classic story of good winning over evil".

Also during the 2010 Christmas season, the Salvation Army in Vancouver, BC, came under fire for a program that provided goodie bags to federal inmates for Christmas by playing Santa to incarcerated criminals. This was however simply an extended outreach as part of the Salvation Army's prisoner visitation program established over a century ago.
Proselytising during government-funded social service in New York

In 2004, the Salvation Army's New York division was named in a lawsuit filed by 18 current and former employees of its social service arm, claiming that the organisation asked about the religious and sexual habits of employees in programs funded by local and state government. One member claimed the organisation forced them to agree "to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ". Proselytising or otherwise pursuing religious motives in a government-funded program is generally considered a violation of the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution. While the employment-discrimination portion of the lawsuit was dismissed in 2005, government agencies agreed in a 2010 settlement to set up monitoring systems to ensure that the Army did not violate church-state separation in its publicly funded projects. The organisation did not dispute allegations that nine-year-olds in a city-funded foster care program were put through a "confirmation-like" ceremony, where they were given Bibles and prayed over.


Australian sex abuse cases

From the 1940s to the 1980s the Salvation Army in Australia sheltered approximately 30,000 children. In 2006 the Australian division of the Salvation Army acknowledged that sexual abuse may have occurred during this time and issued an apology. In it, the Army explicitly rejected a claim, made by a party unnamed in the apology, that there were as many as 500 potential claimants.

In 2013 it was reported that private settlements totalling A$15.5 million had been made in Victoria relating to 474 abuse cases; a Salvation Army spokesman said that "This should not have happened and this was a breach of the trust placed in us" and that they were "deeply sorry" whilst claiming that the abuse was "the result of individuals and not a culture within the organization".

On 28 January 2014, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, a royal commission of inquiry initiated in 2013 by the Australian Government and supported by all of its state governments, began an investigation into abuse cases at the Alkira Salvation Army Home for Boys at Indooroopilly; the Riverview Training Farm (also known as Endeavour Training Farm) at Riverview – both in Queensland; the Bexley Boys' Home at Bexley; and the Gill Memorial Home at Goulburn – both in New South Wales. The investigation also examined the Salvation Army's processes in investigating, disciplining, removing and transferring anyone accused of or found to have engaged in child sexual abuse in these homes. On 27 March 2014, the Royal Commission began an investigation into the handling by the Salvation Army (Eastern Territory) of claims of child sexual abuse between 1993 and 2014.

The Royal Commission published a case study report on the findings and recommendations for one of the above-mentioned case studies.

Unpaid labour in the UK

The Salvation Army has been criticized for making use of the UK Government's workfare schemes across Britain. The UK campaign group Boycott Workfare lists them as a participant in Workfare.


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Dawgsontop34
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
Do we know if he was fined specifically because of the $21, or because he put Dak in the kettle?

They’re both dumb, but if he’d been warned before and then put Dak in that would make a miniscule amount of more sense to me.


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Hook Em Horns
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
You're a dip shite. OMG he gave peoples moniezzzzzz!!!!

Eerrrrrmmmmmeeerrrrrggggeeeerrrddddddd. Fine him.


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DownSouthCrawfish
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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But it's the rule, and don't be surprised if you will be fined for breaking it.
Yep. Props are props. It’s really just that simple.

Goodell sucks, but people are always speaking on his lack of consistency. Well, he’s been pretty consistent with this particular thing. And of course people are still upset


Buckeye06
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
Zeke probably did it knowing he would get fined. Therefore this story does in fact bring more attention to the cause.


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Drewbie
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Yes, it seems petty that they are fining him for it, but if they don't enforce the rules all the time then the rules are meaningless.
So kinda like Lattimore doing the same thing and not getting fined?


doublecutter
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
The NFL should have said that if he donated $13K to the Salvation Army, they would waive the time payable to the NFL.


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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
That truly is absurd


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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle by TechDawg2007



PATHETIC.....................


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Hurricane Mike
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re: The NFL fined Zeke $13k for putting $21 in Salvation Army kettle
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Usually, the money from a fine goes to programs that benefit former players


And there you have it, the reason the NFL has ridiculous fines


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