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re: the Big Three = The Easy Route?
Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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I mean, this is year 1. Next year they'll clearly be better when they get rid of miller and find better bigs.
If they can win this year there's no hope for the NBA for quite a while IMO. Just adding guys worthy of the MLE every year and making no other moves they'll get better by leaps and bounds.
Especially if the new CBA makes it harder to put these type of players together on one team, it could be a long run of dominance...
And people will still hold it against LeBron forever. That's what i meant by Chicago being the right choice. Probably a better chance to win now, equal chance to win going forward, never have public opinion against you.
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Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:22 pm to yungtigr
The supporting cast is Not that bad. James Jones is a great 3pt shooter. Anthony is a good defender/ rebounder. Chalmers has played well etc. The cast isn't close to as bad as y'all are making them out to be.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:27 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Yeah good for him, anyway you want to throw those names in there, what do they all have in common? Dynasty. And now LeBron runs to miami to create this same type of team and it's not a bitch move?
The thing they all had in common was that their front offices were competent enough or capable of bringing other world class talent to the team. Cleveland could not do that.
And I still don't see how trying to win is a "bitch move". Other teams were clearly way more talented than Cleveland and there was no way Cleveland would have a shot and consistently winning. Boston with the big 3. Orlando, at the time, looked like they were making moves to set themselves up pretty good. Chicago was young and talented. Then you look out West. Lakers have Kobe, Artest, Odom, Bynum, and Gasol with Jackson as the HC. The Spurs still had their nucleus intact. OKC was drafting out of their arse and looked like the team of the future. Then you look at Cleveland. Lebron and that's it. Yeah staying seemed like the smart move.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:31 pm to Ghazi
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Mavs in 5 over whoever comes out of the East
Dirk is gonna bukkake LeChoker and DWhistle. On a more serious note, I would like to add a few comments that may be slightly off-topic.
Bosh is underrated. Before this season started, I saw that Bosh was being thrown around as maybe a top 10 player in the NBA. This was a joke, but I would probably say around 20th best is more accurate (I think I have him around 21st best or so). Bosh is a very good to elite player in the NBA, and I am still willing to give him a superstar, which is more a term of marketability, title. Realistically, Chris Bosh had a rough year due to the fact that he had to make a major, major adjustment from being a #1 to a #3 option. Everyone should do themselves a favor and compare Chris Bosh's stats from 2005-2006 to 2009-2010 and do the same with Pau Gasol from 2005-2006 to 2009-2010. Pau Gasol was having his name thrown around as a top 10 player in the NBA, the most skilled big man league in the league, etc., but those praises stopped this postseason. I have always considered Gasol around the 15th best player in the league. The reason he is above Bosh is that he has improved since coming to LA. Notice the time frame I selected, which is pre-criticism eras of both players. The stats are very comparable and if you looked at the numbers for those five seasons without knowing the names, then it may be difficult to definitively say which player is better.
Pau Gasol stats: look 2005-2010 Chris Bosh stats: look at 2005-2010
Another thing is that the Lebron stigma will greatly shrink once he wins a title. Remember Kobe after the sexual assualt case. It took a few years and a title to essentially absolve him of the misdeed, which I assume to be adultery. In five or less years from now (if Lebron does not say or do anything outrageously stupid), then the "haters" will be far and fewer in number.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 12:43 pm to UnluckyTiger
Holy frick unlucky tiger. This thread is about retrospect. Isnt it clear that the bulls actually would've been an easier route?
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:31 pm to LSU Fan 90812
This is stupid. Lebron is by far the best player out of all his proposed destinations during FA last year. He is "the man" for the Heat. I think the funny thing is guys like Rose and Wade are just undersized inferior versions of Lebron. He really doesn't fit with either of those guys when the inferior guy is going to force getting more touches. This is kind of what is happening with OKC and Durnat/Westbrook talent. Lebron and Durant have been relatively quiet about the stupidity of them losing touches.
Also when teams have rosters like
Lakers (with their A game should win every game):
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Lamar Odom
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Celtics:
KG
Paul Pierce
Rajin Rondo
Ray Allen
Jeff Green
Big Baby
Magic:
Have the secod highest payroll doubling the Heat payroll
The criticism just doesn't make sense for the Heat. Their two extremely legit role players have been taken out by injury. They don't have a legit center. Wade doesn't compliment Lebron skills.
Why do none of the other teams not receive criticism when all that matters is the roster and not how they got there?
Also when teams have rosters like
Lakers (with their A game should win every game):
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Lamar Odom
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Celtics:
KG
Paul Pierce
Rajin Rondo
Ray Allen
Jeff Green
Big Baby
Magic:
Have the secod highest payroll doubling the Heat payroll
The criticism just doesn't make sense for the Heat. Their two extremely legit role players have been taken out by injury. They don't have a legit center. Wade doesn't compliment Lebron skills.
Why do none of the other teams not receive criticism when all that matters is the roster and not how they got there?
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:51 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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seems to me bron to the bulls would've been the easiest route.
LeBron and Rose wouldn't have played well together. Rose didn't want LeBron there.
The whole reason that LeBron and Wade have managed to play decently together is because they are really good friends.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:53 pm to BayouBengals03
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LeBron and Rose wouldn't have played well together. Rose didn't want LeBron there.
that's been dispelled multiple times.
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The whole reason that LeBron and Wade have managed to play decently together is because they are really good friends.
maybe.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 1:59 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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that's been dispelled multiple times.
by who?
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maybe.
It's a lot easier to get through situations and moments of adversity when it's with one of your best friends. They aren't going to take shots at each other, they aren't going to cry to the media about not getting enough shots (although Bosh did, but he's not important), and they just have a better relationship on the court overall.
You have no idea how LeBron and Rose would have played together, or how they would have gotten along on and off the court. For that reason, I'd still say Miami was the best decision, considering we know that this Heat team is looking like they'll make the Finals.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 2:02 pm to Louie T
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kobe bolted to shaq since kobe's agent didn't want him to have to play for charlotte
I'm guessing this is a joke considering:
1. Kobe was 17 and just out of high school
2. Jerry Buss had his eye on Kobe from the beginning. Kobe would have had no choice, ultimately, since, you know, he wouldn't have had a "no trade" clause built into his "high school contract"
Posted on 5/11/11 at 2:03 pm to lsu480
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It really should be called the Big Two.
see sig
Posted on 5/11/11 at 2:05 pm to D011ahbi11
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The supporting cast is Not that bad. James Jones is a great 3pt shooter. Anthony is a good defender/ rebounder. Chalmers has played well etc. The cast isn't close to as bad as y'all are making them out to be.
Different tune, same lyrics with Lebron fans. They said the same thing about the Cavs when he was there and even point to the Cavs record this year as proof without acknowledging the Cav's roster had also changed 70%, they were slammed with injuries, and had a new coach.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 2:13 pm to theunknownknight
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Different tune, same lyrics with Lebron fans.
The people who say that are dumb. Yes, the supporting cast outside of Wade, James, and Bosh isn't that great. However, it doesn't have to be. You have the 2 best players in the league (in my opinion), and probably a top 20ish guy in Bosh as a great 3rd option. They have good defensive guys in Chalmers and Anthony, a good shooter in James Jones, and a good veteran point in Bibby to know down shots as well. The emergence of Chalmers and the addition of Bibby has made this team a lot better.
The supporting cast is fine, and honestly, it should be one of the worst supporting casts the Big Two has around them for the next couple of years.
As of now, if they don't at least make the Finals, it will just be because they choked. It'll still be a huge disappointment if they don't win it all.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 2:14 pm to theunknownknight
Lebron
Amare
Felton
Chandler
Gallo
Fields
Might have been the best fit.
I am glad this didn't happen as I can barely stand the Knicks now. I would have probably had to stop watching ESPN if they had that team.
Amare
Felton
Chandler
Gallo
Fields
Might have been the best fit.
I am glad this didn't happen as I can barely stand the Knicks now. I would have probably had to stop watching ESPN if they had that team.
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/11/11 at 2:33 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Title chasing is something aging vets do, not arguably the greatest player in the game.
This is a fricking dumb arse statement. Title chasing is something anyone with a competitive heartbeat should be after regardless of age.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:16 pm to LSU Fan 90812
LeBron opted to play with his rival. He didn't opt to go play with a great player at a different position. No, he opted to play with someone who plays his position.
The reason the Big 3 in Boston isn't looked in the same light is because Garnett, Allen and Pierce were seasoned vets who had won numerous awards (in particular Garnett). The only thing they were missing was a title. As a whole people liked those guys and liked the fact they were falling into a good situation, getting a chance to win a title. Everyone loves seeing that guy who has busted his arse for 10+ years finally get a shot at a championship.
Had Garnett and Allen done this sort of thing in their primes - much different reaction in my opinion.
The reason the Big 3 in Boston isn't looked in the same light is because Garnett, Allen and Pierce were seasoned vets who had won numerous awards (in particular Garnett). The only thing they were missing was a title. As a whole people liked those guys and liked the fact they were falling into a good situation, getting a chance to win a title. Everyone loves seeing that guy who has busted his arse for 10+ years finally get a shot at a championship.
Had Garnett and Allen done this sort of thing in their primes - much different reaction in my opinion.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:18 pm to Akit1
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LeBron opted to play with his rival.
FWIW, LeBron and Wade were never rivals.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
if i was james, i would have done the same thing. easy route? no way kobe would have stayed in cleveland if the roles were reversed
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:20 pm to BayouBengals03
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This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:17 pm to lsu480
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It really should be called the Big Two.
I know it doesn't seem like it, but Bosh is putting up really good numbers considering who the first 2 options are. The guy will seem like a complete non factor in a game and at the end of the day he has 20 points and 10 boards. If the Heat just had a bigger version of Joel Anthony, he would have a lot of pressure off of him.
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