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The best players elevate their play in the playoffs, right?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:24 am
According to both Zach Lowe and The Ringer, these will be the 2020 All-NBA Teams:
First team
LeBron James, James Harden, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis
Second team
Chris Paul, Damian Lillard, Luka Doncic, Jimmy Butler, Nikola Jokic
Third team
Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, Pascal Siakam, Khris Middleton, Rudy Gobert
All of those guys except Simmons played in the playoffs. These are the players that are expected to elevate their play when it matters most, right?
After 2 rounds of the playoffs, lets look at the regular and postseason differences in PER, TS%, WS/48, and BPM, the advanced metrics that aren't influenced by number of games played, to get an understanding of each player's individual playoff performance relative to the regular season:
Obviously the Overall +/- number is heavily influenced by PER and BPM, but you can still clearly see which players performed above and below their regular season levels in each category.
Thoughts?
First team
LeBron James, James Harden, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis
Second team
Chris Paul, Damian Lillard, Luka Doncic, Jimmy Butler, Nikola Jokic
Third team
Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, Pascal Siakam, Khris Middleton, Rudy Gobert
All of those guys except Simmons played in the playoffs. These are the players that are expected to elevate their play when it matters most, right?
After 2 rounds of the playoffs, lets look at the regular and postseason differences in PER, TS%, WS/48, and BPM, the advanced metrics that aren't influenced by number of games played, to get an understanding of each player's individual playoff performance relative to the regular season:
Obviously the Overall +/- number is heavily influenced by PER and BPM, but you can still clearly see which players performed above and below their regular season levels in each category.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 1:24 pm
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Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:37 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:
The best players elevate their play in the playoffs, right?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:37 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:
Thoughts?
"they're lazy in the regular season"
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:40 am to Open Your Eyes
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:44 am to Open Your Eyes
Oftentimes the opponent plays a bigger role in this than playoff v reg season. For Instacne if you are a top seed in the east you are playing a weaker than League average team in the playoffs.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:45 am to Open Your Eyes
I hope New Orleans doesn't end up wasting Zion like they did with AD for all of those years.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:51 am to Bench McElroy
quote:what if it’s Zion that wastes Zion?
hope New Orleans doesn't end up wasting Zion like they did with AD for all of those years.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 12:23 pm to Open Your Eyes
Your stats didn't load on my page, but I think one thing that is often missed during this argument is that defensive play is much better in the playoffs than the regular season. This is for two reasons: 1. The games mean more 2. Coaches area able to scheme better throughout the series.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:10 pm to Stuckinthe90s
quote:Same here
Your stats didn't load on my page
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:14 pm to shel311
You don’t want to, believe me. 
it was terrible.
it was terrible. 
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:15 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
I hope New Orleans doesn't end up wasting Zion like they did with AD for all of those years.
DeMarcus Cousins achilles RIP. I still believe things would be different if he doesn't get hurt.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:25 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:
Thoughts?
Your stats aren’t loading for me, either. But I’d say judging by your tone, no matter what they say, they likely aren’t the “gotcha” you think they are.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:26 pm to Boomshockalocka
Fixed the image link in the OP
That explains why Middleton and Siakam were beyond terrible in the playoffs relative to their regular seasons according to this data.
quote:
Oftentimes the opponent plays a bigger role in this than playoff v reg season. For Instacne if you are a top seed in the east you are playing a weaker than League average team in the playoffs.
That explains why Middleton and Siakam were beyond terrible in the playoffs relative to their regular seasons according to this data.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:28 pm to Hot Carl
the stats prove washed and ad best tourney players.
some of us saw this coming
some of us saw this coming
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:30 pm to Open Your Eyes
Siakam last year
21% usage. - .63 true shooting.
This year
28% usage - .55 true shooting.
Siakam should be a 3rd banana, efficiency drops off big time when his usage goes up.
21% usage. - .63 true shooting.
This year
28% usage - .55 true shooting.
Siakam should be a 3rd banana, efficiency drops off big time when his usage goes up.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:51 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
This year 28% usage - .55 true shooting.
So... further proving he’s not really one of the best players in the league?
What do you notice about harden from those +/- numbers WBB?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:56 pm to Open Your Eyes
Is this a place we can shite on the Clippers again? Because I’ve been enjoying that
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:02 pm to OBReb6
quote:
Is this a place we can shite on the Clippers again? Because I’ve been enjoying that
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:04 pm to Open Your Eyes
I noticed that it is a total joke calculations is what i noticed.
A 20 PER with a 20% increase would be 24 PER.
That would be a difference of 4.
A .200 Ws/48 with a 20% increase would be .24
The difference would be .04.
Meaning you value PER 100x more than ws/48. I would say I know you can do better but tbt I don’t know that.
If you want to do it legitimately you would measure the % difference, not the actual #, and adjust for strength of opponent.
A 20 PER with a 20% increase would be 24 PER.
That would be a difference of 4.
A .200 Ws/48 with a 20% increase would be .24
The difference would be .04.
Meaning you value PER 100x more than ws/48. I would say I know you can do better but tbt I don’t know that.
If you want to do it legitimately you would measure the % difference, not the actual #, and adjust for strength of opponent.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:05 pm to OBReb6
quote:
Is this a place we can shite on the Clippers again? Because I’ve been enjoying that
quote:
I just want to take this time to LOL
LOL at everyone
LOL at the clippers
LOL at the hipster basketball fan
LOL at the clipper media members
LOL at the national media members
All we've done since this past summer is listen to everyone talk about how much better the clippers are than the lakers and how they will just flip the switch
LOL at the clippers for subtweeting at every possible moment. From getting Jerry west to say "this is the best organization I've ever worked for". To their marketing of "LA our way" and "streetlights not spotlights". To having doc rivers literally give an interview about how the lakers shouldn't be allowed to claim 16 championships
LOL at the clipper media members who did nothing but suck this team off every step of the way even in the face of it not working. It was hilarious how sure they were and how unilaterally they pushed how great their chemistry was and how awful the lakers was
So, to wrap it up, LOL. This is what happens when you think you've already won 3 championships when you've literally never done shite
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