re: The ATL Thread: Offseason

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I don’t think anybody would have traded for him because that would require going to arbitration with him. I would be shocked if he gets more than $4M on the open market. He would have had some value only if he was still still pre-arb.

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And he was also injured. We couldn’t have got a bucket of balls for him with all that. But I think he does have value, more than you do anyway. Ozuna too. I’ve made this argument before, but I think these guys—all of them, but these 2 specifically because of the risk that their ‘20 seasons were outliers—are more valuable to the cumulative offense than their individual stats reveal, both raw counting stats and whatever analytics you guys prefer.

The whole offense, when clicking, is better than the sum of its parts. And those parts are already pretty damn good. But when you have Duvall and Ozuna in the lineup, there are no easy outs. Not just no easy outs, nobody 1-9 that can’t hit mistakes 400+ feet, even when they’re slumping.

So my take is that that makes pitchers have to throw more high pressure/effort pitches starting with the very 1st one to Ronnie. There’s no breathing room—no part of the lineup pitchers can just relax for and cruise through—running through that ‘20 Braves lineup (and I think it will even more stressful for pitchers in front of crowds) 5-6 innings and 100 pitches to the Braves offense is not the same as it would be for just about any team in MLB save the Dodgers. We’d get to teams’ bullpens faster, which over the course of 162 games would trend to extending our leads which would lead to our own pitchers throwing more lower leverage/effort/stress pitches which would obviously be beneficial.

Sorry, brevity has never been a strong suit. Basically, Duvall and Ozuna being in the lineup helps the entire team cumulatively and more than can be really calculated mathematically (though I’m sure there are some analytics that may come close). However, all that depends on the NL keeping the DH. That 1-9 pressure is different when it’s 1-8, and I think it really changes how you may build your team.

So, of course AA can’t really make a legit offer to Duvall or Ozuna until we know. So, when the frick are they going to decide this? How can we be this far into free agency without knowing whether or not there will even be jobs for some guys? I don’t think it benefits either side to negotiate without knowing. There are some guys whose value in the NL would be drastically different depending on the DH. And I think Duvall and Ozuna are 2 of them.

MLB memo instructs NL teams to operate as if there won’t be a DH. Seems like FO was already under that assumption. Makes it pretty unlikely Ozuna is back. Bryant and Turner make a lot of sense.

Expect people to melt hard, including several on here, if Ozuna isn't brought back. Including wanting AA fired.

Cubs are just trying to dump salary. I think Inciarte probably goes the other way in any Bryant deal with something like Newcomb, Muller, Jackson

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Riley, gets all year.

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FIFY

Doubt a guy who has been worth 0.1 WAR in 130 games is going to get a free 162 game trial run at a premium offensive position in an all in year but you are certainly free to believe whatever you want.

So this sucks...

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On the potential of re-signing Ozuna, who more than lived up to the expectations set when he signed a one-year deal with Atlanta last year

He hasn’t even come up [in discussions with GM Alex Anthopoulos], quite honestly. I don’t know where all of this is or anything like that. All I know is I texted Marcell congratulations for being on the All-MLB team as the DH. Other than that, I haven’t had any discussions with him or Alex about where he’s at. All I know is what I read every morning when I get up with my coffee.

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Give me Arenado and let’s call it a day.

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Unfortunately, signing Ozuna is a pipe dream. We'll look for the cheap veteran who is looking for a bounceback year again. It worked with Ozuna and Donaldson, but it is playing with fire to count on that every year.

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Yep. It made sense letting Donaldson walk because he was an aging vet and while his production was good, you could reasonably find a replacement for that production.

What Ozuna gave us last season, it's going to be damn near impossible to find a replacement for that, especially with AA's love affair with one year deals.

Meanwhile, a team that was in the playoffs last year and a team in our division have made big investments this offseason.

Financial flexibility is only good if you eventually use it. We were one win away from going to the World Series last year (and probably winning it), we have to go into win now mode.

Freddie is not getting any younger.

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The braves need to take advantage of the Indian's trade incompetence. Go get Jose Ramirez

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He would cost a whole lot more than Lindor did because he has several cheap years left before he hits free agency.

The Indians are a shrewd trading team, actually.