re: [The Athletic] What An Expanded Playoff May Look Like

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95% of the time those games are blowouts, hell it wasn't until recently that a 16 seed beat a 1 seed yet there's no call to shrink the CBB bracket. Your argument holds little weight as upsets do happen in college football

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Of course upsets happen but it’s even more likely to happen in CBB. And a 16th seed in CBB isn't remotely the same as a 16th seed in CFB. If you watch March Madness you should know that. A 16th seed in CBB is like the 64-68th overall seed. The equivalent of the 16th seed in CFB would be like a 4th seed in the bracket.

The way the sport is designed, massive blowouts are more common in CFB. Often times you’ll see two CBB teams that are tied or close at the half. Maybe the better team wins by 10 in the end, but the other team had a chance has more often. Meanwhile in CFB it’s more common to see one obviously better team already crushing the weaker team by 21 at the half.

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I'm not saying they do but they are the only team there without double digit wins so you're whole orginal point thats a bunch of 4 loss teams will enter the playoffs is false

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Auto bids open the possibility of it happening and it should never. But you seemed to missed my point with the 2nd statement.

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So then give the G5 teams autos and make the rest at large

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They won’t, that’s my point. I’m not arguing what should or shouldn’t happen. I’m arguing what most likely will happen if the playoffs are expanded to as many as 16 teams. You may argue that I don’t know that, but I’m going based off how we’ve seen the G5 teams treated by the media and the CFB higher ups. They don’t care much about them.

So if there was an expanded 16 team playoffs, it’s much more likely it’ll be the P5 auto bids with 11 at large rather then all conference champ auto bid with 6 at large. Still don’t believe that? Just look at your 2019 hypothetical. Make a list of one with no G5 auto bids and one with the G5 auto bids. Are you going to seriously tell me the higher ups will select the list with a MAC and Sun Belt champ over teams like Bama, AU, ND, or Michigan?

So what will happen? You’ll have 3 to sometimes 4 loss teams getting in. Hell I don’t think a 2 loss Bama team deserved in 2019. But they would rather put in a 3 loss 14th ranked P5 non champ over a 21st ranked G5 champ. You want a drastically expanded playoffs? That’s most likely what you’re going to get.

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That's not the point again the point is to give the right amount of teams a chance. Sure Bama may beat Oregon or Wisconsin in the first round but it's not a guarantee. Expansion can only help other schools especially smaller schools recruiting wise as our current format makes it nearly impossible for those teams to make it

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Funny that you think they care about “fairness” over ratings. The only reason they are considering an expanded playoffs is because of ratings and therefore more money. And putting in more big name teams, not G5 teams, will get them those ratings.

This past year, the 1 vs 16 would have been:

Alabama vs BYU

Yes, Alabama probably would have had a 95% chance to win, but you cant tell me you wouldn't have wanted to see what Zach Smith could do against a Bama defense?

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How has it made it worse? If we had the old system Bama would still be dominating it, all the playoff does is give more chances to other teams. You traditionalists are so devoid of logic

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Because it has significantly devalued major bowl games and devalued having good, not great, seasons for non-traditional powers.

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Buckeye Backer

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That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m not talking about the top G5 teams that are also top 16 teams being allowed into the playoffs. I’m talking about like the 22nd ranked 2 loss G5 making it in to play on the road vs a top 5 team because of the G5 auto bids.

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Oregon Appalachian State Memphis FAU Miami (OH) Boise State

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Didn’t deserve a shot

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Georgia /quote]

Had their shot and got smoked

[quote]Baylor Wisconsin Florida [

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Didn’t deserve a shot either.

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Because it has significantly devalued major bowl games and devalued having good, not great, seasons for non-traditional powers.

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Explain how going back to the old system would stop the avalanche of players opting out? I am alllll ears.

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Those games never mattered unless it was the natty so that argument makes no sense

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The relevance and importance of the rose bowl to 2 of the 5 P5 leagues is why it took so long for the BCS and the playoff to ever be implemented.

Now it’s just like every other bowl

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yet there's no call to shrink the CBB bracket.

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Because coaches and AD’a keep their job by saying “We made the tournament”. That’s why. There are also 350 schools playing D1 basketball

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Because coaches and AD’a keep their job by saying “We made the tournament”. That’s why. There are also 350 schools playing D1 basketball

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But in the current set up, coaches of 6-6 teams can say "see we have made 10 bowl games in a row"... all the while going 6-6 every year. Whats the difference? The current system literally devalues the regular season and yet some of you are saying a 16 team playoff or nothing, will devalue the season? I just dont get it...

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I never stated anywhere that the G5 get auto bids. Quote me if i did?

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I know you didn’t but that was one of the things that were laid out in the OP and I was mostly arguing against.

Also most years it wouldn’t be like that. BYU might be intriguing (though they did struggle against the only ranked team they played in the regular season) because you want to see how they might do versus a top P5 team. But if you look at most year’s polls, the lower rank of the top 16 teams would be 3 loss P5 teams. Like Iowa in 2019. I just don’t think a team that lost 1/4 (30% under your reduced scenario) of their games deserves to be in. That’s a significant chunk of games to lose and still be in. Especially for a sport where there’s so many give me wins already. So basically teams have to show up for 5 games a year and they’re in.