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re: The 2025 Ohio State team might be the greatest team in College Football history.
Posted on 10/10/25 at 2:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 10/10/25 at 2:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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He was 6’0 212 and ran in the 4.4-4.5 range, talking about his mental makeup 20 years later is shifting the goal post the discussion is about Nebraska.
I question his ability to have been resilient against a very physical defense, partially due to his mental instability. But mostly because lining up in the I and trying to run over a DL more talented than your OL doesn’t tend to work. That’s exactly why Nebraska struggled to score points against prime OU, Miami, and FSU. Too strong up front. They couldn’t push them around like 1995 Florida and the Big 8 teams like Kansas and Kansas State that Osborne never lost to in 25 years.
2018 Clemson had three first round draft picks on the DL, a great DC with experience against the old Nebraska style, and every year they prepared for Paul Johnson’s GT offense that had a more sophisticated option style.
They also developed against a plethora of talented players in the Bama games from 2015-2017. No one would be awed by Tommie Frazier or Lawrence Phillips or receivers who never saw a NFL facility or their offensive scheme.
I fail to see how 1995 Nebraska matches up favorably against 2018 Clemson.
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A lot of Alabama and UGA backs couldn’t hack it in the NFL
The best Bama and UGA teams of the Saban and Smart era had a hell of a lot of NFL guys. Every position every year? Maybe not.
2019 LSU had five first rounders in 2020, 2020 Bama had six first rounders in 2021, and 2021 UGA had five first rounders in 2022. And most of those guys have had sustained careers.
1995 Nebraska had one in 1996, and he was (as we have noted) a bust.
Talent in the ‘90s just wasn’t as concentrated in so few hands as at the zenith of the SEC. You also didn’t have to deal with so much competition. 1995 Nebraska played 11 games, no conference championship (which cost them in 1996), and no playoff games.
1995 Nebraska faced one first round draft pick the entire year. That’s not even possible for a national champion now and hasn’t been for a long time.
2019 LSU had/faced 18 first round draft picks. 1995 Nebraska had/faced 2.
Little bit different level of talent.
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The point you are still missing is the level of competition he faces in college has no bearing on good he can be in the pros
Moving up to a higher level of competition absolutely can (and does) expose a lot of teams and players.
Knowing nothing else, would you rather your school sign a player who was successful in the largest classification in a state or the smallest? I think we would all take the largest. That doesn’t mean every big school guy is a stud and every small school guy sucks - but equal success against better competition is a more reliable bet. And some other guys do well at all levels because they were surrounded by really good players.
Phillips was successful in a situation in which a lot of players were successful. Nebraska did not miss a beat without him in 1995 because who was going to stop them? What legends of the gridiron played defense against Nebraska in 1995? No one.
Then Phillips goes to the NFL and gets exposed at a position that should translate well. Mike Rozier, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Corey Schlesinger, and Ahman Green all had success. We’re not talking about a wishbone QB here. We’re talking’90s football with a lot of NFL teams under center running 21 personnel. Phillips should have been fine but couldn’t handle it at that level.
Phillips’ mental state is by no means the reason I think 1995 Nebraska wouldn’t match up well against 2018 Clemson, but I do question how he would have responded the first time he got planted by Dexter Lawrence and found out that every yard would be a tough one.
Etienne, on the other hand, is having a respectable career in the NFL. In fact, he and Trevor Lawrence just beat the Chiefs to move to 4-1. They aren’t the only players on 2018 Clemson that have had success outside of their college system and against elite competition.
Posted on 10/10/25 at 3:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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1995 Nebraska was always about the resume.
Many years ago I was the head coach of a high school football team. One year, we played a lot of really good teams and finished 3-7 and I was on the hot seat afterwards. The next year we dropped a class and went 8-2, made it to the state championship, and I was COTY. We were better that 8-2 season than the 3-7 season, but we weren’t that much better. We probably would have been 4-6 or 5-5 against the schedule we played the previous season. And we wouldn’t have won a playoff game, much less made it to the championship game.
My point is winning isn’t always about how good you are. It’s often about how good everyone else is. I don’t necessarily question that the 1995 team was Nebraska’s best, but I do think their level of dominance was inflated due to less competition than most other years.
OU was rock bottom. Colorado had just lost Kordell Stewart, Rashaan Salaam, Michael Westbrook, and Bill McCartney. They didn’t play anyone OOC with a winning record. They didn’t have to fool with a conference championship. The “top ten” teams they beat in the regular season were teams Osborne was 71-3-1 against (largely by video game scores) and most any of his teams would have beaten them. And while Florida was great, they didn’t have the defensive personnel or level familiarity with the Nebraska scheme as the FSU and Miami teams that troubled them in bowl games. They also didn’t have to go down and play in the dreaded Orange Bowl stadium, where Big 8 champs often struggled.
I think the 1971 and 1994 Nebraska teams are “penalized” historically for having played better opponents than the 1995 team. The 1971 OU team is arguably the best wishbone offense of all time - I think that team holds the record for most rushing yards per game - and Nebraska had to play them in Norman. 1995 Nebraska may have beaten 1994 Miami in the Orange Bowl, but I bet it wouldn’t have been a physical embarrassment like the Fiesta Bowl. Most of the players who won that game in the fourth quarter - guys like Schlesinger and Wiegert - were better than their 1995 counterparts.
Posted on 10/10/25 at 5:19 pm to Globetrotter747
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The next year we dropped a class and went 8-2, made it to the state championship, and I was COTY. We were better that 8-2 season than the 3-7 season, but we weren’t that much better. We probably would have been 4-6 or 5-5 against the schedule we played the previous season. And we wouldn’t have won a playoff game, much less made it to the championship game.
Did you change conferences? How'd the regular season schedule change so rapidly?
Posted on 10/10/25 at 9:08 pm to KosmoCramer
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Did you change conferences? How'd the regular season schedule change so rapidly?
The association we were in had three classes and reclassified every two years. We went from the bottom of AA (numbers wise) to the top of A.
None of the teams that beat us in our region in AA moved down with us, and a couple of really good AAA teams we played in the 3-7 season were not on our schedule the following year.
That 3-7 year we played a 10-0 team, three 9-1 teams, and one 8-2 team. We wouldn’t have beaten any of those teams with machetes. It was a miserable year because we played poorly and lost the first game against a team we could have beaten - and probably would have beaten if our TB hadn’t been out of town literally all summer at some college thing - and just never really had a chance to get off the mat. The odor of that first game just lingered. It would be like Alabama following up the awful FSU opener with a bunch of teams 3, 4, 5+ touchdowns better than them. It was just impossible to find redemption against the competition we faced even though we did improve.
But it made us a little better the next year. I changed some things offensively and the players were hungry to have a good year. We did beat the frick out of the team that beat us in the opener the year before with essentially the same players and coaches on both sides - and that was pretty damn satisfying.
This post was edited on 10/10/25 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 10/11/25 at 12:58 am to Globetrotter747
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OU was rock bottom
Big Game Bob was considered a "miracle worker" at freaking' Oklahoma when he came in and won the National Title early, that's how BAD OU was in the mid late 90s when Nebraska had its huge run.
From 1970-2000 , the Big 8/12 Champion was either Nebraska or Oklahoma or both, 26 out of 30 years.
You take OU out of the equation, you can take a lot of weeks off for Nebraska.
Posted on 10/11/25 at 2:19 am to SPEEDY
Every. Freaking. Year.
And then next year will have a greatest of all time team lol
And then next year will have a greatest of all time team lol
Posted on 10/11/25 at 7:32 am to Bamafan24
20 Bama wouldn’t beat 2019 Bama
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:51 am to Globetrotter747
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I question his ability to have been resilient against a very physical defense,
Who are you Les Miles? WTH is this suppose to mean
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partially due to his mental instability
And I’m saying that really has nothing to do with how he plays against any individual team. Long term success in the NFL sure, that requires hard work and study, discipline if you’re a criminal psycho it’s probably not gonna work. See Cecil Collins, Derrius Guice among others.
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But mostly because lining up in the I and trying to run over a DL more talented than your OL doesn’t tend to work.
Well I guess you’re not Les Miles after all
Of course that wouldn’t work now.
Posted on 10/11/25 at 10:22 am to Globetrotter747
This is the problem with comparing teams across time with these hypothetical matchups. Offenses and defenses evolve. Coaching and scouting has evolved Training has evolved. Medical treatment has evolved. Nutrition has evolved. There’s more information available. Think about watching game film, in 1995 you have a VHS tape and need a VCR and tube tv. Now you can watch clear video you can watch on a phone or iPad anywhere
Nebraska had a big advantage because of their legendary weight room, it’s probably no better than a Crunch Fitness today compared to what literally everyone has now. Times change in other words, of course offense from the past would not work against a team 3”25 years later. There’s more good players now because of all those advantages. This is why you judge a team based how good they were relative to the teams they played. They won every game by at least 14. They beat 4 teams that finished in the top 1” including then#2 ranked SEC Champs by at least 24 iirc. That’s the case. If you prefer the roster or talent model, that’s cool,‘it’s all subjective anyway
Nebraska had a big advantage because of their legendary weight room, it’s probably no better than a Crunch Fitness today compared to what literally everyone has now. Times change in other words, of course offense from the past would not work against a team 3”25 years later. There’s more good players now because of all those advantages. This is why you judge a team based how good they were relative to the teams they played. They won every game by at least 14. They beat 4 teams that finished in the top 1” including then#2 ranked SEC Champs by at least 24 iirc. That’s the case. If you prefer the roster or talent model, that’s cool,‘it’s all subjective anyway
Posted on 10/11/25 at 10:57 am to H-Town Tiger
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I question his ability to have been resilient against a very physical defense,
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Who are you Les Miles? WTH is this suppose to mean
It takes more fortitude to grind out tough yards for four quarters against an elite defense than running up and down the field for a half on an inferior one.
In games of comparable talent, intangibles matter more.
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And I’m saying that really has nothing to do with how he plays against any individual team.
Of course it does. It’s easier to play hard when you’re up 14-0 vs. down 14-0. It’s easier to play RB when you just ripped off a big run vs. getting stuffed in the backfield.
Players loaf and sulk in the face of adversity all the time.
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Well I guess you’re not Les Miles after all otherwise you wouldn’t have does this with Leonard Fournette against Bama in 2015 Of course that wouldn’t work now.
It didn’t work then either against elite defenses. That’s why Osborne was 5-12 against Switzer and had a losing bowl record, particularly against FSU and Miami.
Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:08 am to SPEEDY
The team that beat Texas 14-7?
Posted on 10/11/25 at 11:33 am to H-Town Tiger
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This is why you judge a team based how good they were relative to the teams they played.
Let’s look at the 1996 Nebraska team.
They were ambushed in a night game in Tempe against a surprisingly good Arizona State team that nearly won the national title. They lost to Texas and Priest Holmes as a 20.5 pt. favorite in the Big 12 championship.
1996 Nebraska won every other game by mostly video game scores. 55-14, 65-9, 39-3, 49-0, 24-10, 63-7, 73-21, 51-7, 49-14, and one close one 17-12 against Colorado.
A road game against an elite OOC opponent and a conference championship (1995 Nebraska faced neither) kept the 1996 team from being undefeated and playing for a threepeat.
The 1995 team’s path to an undefeated season was indisputably easier than nearly all of Osborne’s teams.Most of Osborne’s teams had to deal with some combination of Switzer, an elite OOC opponent, or FSU or Miami in the Orange Bowl.
The 1995 team just had to beat teams Osborne was 71-3-1 against in 25 years.
Not too daunting.
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