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re: Teams that lost a playoff game that could've won the title
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:18 am to LSUBoo
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:18 am to LSUBoo
1981 SD Chargers. Unstoppable offense in that era, with a bend, but don't break defense. Heatstrokes, cramps from the Miami game did them in going up to sub artic temps in Cincinnati the week after. 40 degrees, they win, and play indoors against SFO, then win again.
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Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:35 am to ChestRockwell
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1981 SD Chargers. Unstoppable offense in that era
The 1980 Chargers lost the AFCCG at home, they lost in the division round at home in 79 yet somehow they were gonna beat the Bengals in just moderately cold temps vs brutal cold and then the 49ers with Montana and Walsh
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:00 am to H-Town Tiger
No, read again. I said in 40 degree temps, they beat Cincinnati. The AFC was a far better conference that year, especially the qb play. SFO faced a bunch of bums in the playoffs, then needed a prayer to beat an aging Dallas team. SD had too much speed at the skill positions, which SFO defense didn't play against. The turf in the Silverdome would've burned them alive. It begs the question, now does it? We will never know. IMO, SD wins it all without that AFCCG brutal weather. That's what this original topic was about, amirite?
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:07 am to ChestRockwell
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I said in 40 degree temps, they beat Cincinnati.
Cincinnati beat them 40-17 in San Diego earlier that season
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:26 am to VADawg
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Georgia would have run train on them. ND needed a 4th down "stop" to beat Stanford in OT (Stepfon Taylor actually scored on that play, but ND got some major home cooking). They needed an "epic" goal line stand to hold on late against a 5 win USC team. They got a mulligan at home against an awful Pitt team because Pitt had two guys on the field with the same jersey number when ND missed an overtime FG.
That was the worst 12-0 team I've ever seen in college football. Alabama could have beaten them by 50+ if Saban felt like it. Georgia, Florida, A&M, LSU, and South Carolina would have all beaten them by 20+.
Eddie Lacy ran through them like they weren't even there. Imagine what Todd Gurley would have done.
then why didn't gurley run wild against the gamecocks? why'd they lose to them 35-7?
like I said, i'm not saying the irish were a great team, nor am I saying they woulda won 7+ games in the SEC, but they had a GREAT defense and due to OSU being ineligible for the post-season, ND may have won the title if not for Bama having a historically great OL and other components to make it appear as if ND was chopped liver on that night.
said another way - if ND matches up with 99% of teams on that night, I think they may have won the title
but they didn't, so we're all good
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:26 am to VADawg
Yes I am aware. SD was just a hot team going into the playoffs. Remember, they acquired Wes Chandler in week 5 or something. He played in that game v Cincinnati in November. Fouts and him were starting to click after that.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:00 am to Chair45
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then why didn't gurley run wild against the gamecocks? why'd they lose to them 35-7?
Because South Carolina was much, much, much better than Notre Dame. That was probably the best team they've ever had.
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but they had a GREAT defense
Not really. They were slower than molasses. Alabama was the first team they played who could expose that. Manti Te'o was the most overrated college football player I've ever seen. There were probably 15 defensive players in the SEC better than him that season.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:01 am to RD Dawg
quote:we scored three points in OT.
A little bit deceptive since the game went to OT
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:18 am to ChestRockwell
They left everything on the field the week before in Miami in a highly emotional game. Hard to come back from that no matter the temps of the next game.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:44 am to ChestRockwell
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No, read again. I said in 40 degree temps,
And I said moderately cold such as 40F vs brutal cold (-28 Wind chill or whatever).
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they beat Cincinnati.
They lost at home the previous 2 years to wild card teams so I’m failing to see why they would be lock to beat Cincinnati if it was 40 or so which is still colder than avg temps in San Diego in Jan let alone SF.
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SFO faced a bunch of bums in the playoffs, then needed a prayer to beat an aging Dallas team.
The aging Dallas team made the NFCCG again the next seasons their 3rd straight. Before that SF played NYG and rookie OLB Lawrence Taylor, who was so disruptive they literally changed their blocking scheme in that game and Walsh later would basically invent the modern Left Tackle.
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SD had too much speed at the skill positions, which SFO defense didn't play against. The turf in the Silverdome would've burned them alive
The strength of the 49ers D was the secondary 3 years later they shut down a better QB named Dan with speedy WR in the SB.
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It begs the question, now does it? We will never know. IMO, SD wins it all without that AFCCG brutal weather. That's what this original topic was about, amirite?
Sure we can’t know for sure but I found it an odd choice (points for not picking the obvious I guess
) given what we know about SD during that era, great offense lost in playoffs including at home and what SF became, a dynasty that would win 3 more SB with Montana. Frankly i think Dallas is the team that would have won the SB had they won the NFCGG from that season, which they nearly did as you noted. I take them all day over Cincy or SD This post was edited on 8/2/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:53 am to ChestRockwell
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aware. SD was just a hot team going into the playoffs. Remember, they acquired Wes Chandler in week 5 or something.
Per Football reference he’s in the game 5 box score not game 4. From week 5 on they were 7-5. They won the last 2 against Tampa and Oakland then the epic Miami playoff game. Not exactly a hot team by most conventional definitions. SF by contrast finished the season 12-1 after starting 1-2. 15-1 including the playoffs
Eta Cincinnati 7-1 the 2nd half
This post was edited on 8/2/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:58 am to Froman
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No one was beating LSU that year, but I also wanted to play OSU to shut Ryan Day up. .
Posted on 8/2/24 at 12:24 pm to WG_Dawg
I’d say the NFC runner up from ‘92-‘97 would have won the Super Bowl.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 12:29 pm to SPEEDY
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Posted on 8/2/24 at 12:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
NFC was weak, especially the old west.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 1:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
The NFC was WEAK prior to SF winning their 1st SB. I'm going by numbers alone. SD was an up and down team, no doubt. When they got hot, nobody could stop them. I will give you this in re to them losing to Houston. Fouts was awful in that 1979 playoff game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Gifford Neilsen win that game for HOU? Pastorini got hurt? 1980 Oilers were not a bad team either. Snake getting loaded at Gilleys every night and they still won 11 games LOL
This post was edited on 8/2/24 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/2/24 at 3:04 pm to ChestRockwell
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NFC was weak, especially the old west.
Lucky for the 49ers SOS is not a component in who makes the NFL playoffs
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The NFC was WEAK prior to SF winning their 1st SB
Pittsburgh was the dominant team obviously from the mid to late 70s 1980 was a down year overall or maybe transition year as it turns out. By then Pitt and Miami ahead fallen off from their SB teams. Starting with SF in 81 the NFC won 15 of 16, including 13 in a row starting with their 2nd SB.
Here’s one, how does SF do against the Raiders in SB XVIII? I don’t think they get blown out like Washington for starters
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didn't Gifford Neilsen win that game for HOU?
He did, Fouts threw 5 picks the Oilers won by 3
SD blew the Steelers out in Nov, would have been interesting if they played again, pretty sure it would have been in SD
This post was edited on 8/2/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 8/2/24 at 3:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
I can't believe how close a very average Alabama team almost won the NC last year.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 4:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
Ha ha. Thanks for kindly responding. GN is old school. Does he still do the sports anchor thing? Still pissed Bum for trading Archie to Hou for Leon Gray. Jimmy the Greek once said Oakland was way too fast for Philly and that 83 Redskins team. They did remind me of SD, because of the skill players. Only drawback, was that the defense wasn't as physical as Oakland l, and didn't use stick em and take cheap shots.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 7:09 pm to ChestRockwell
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Thanks for kindly responding.
Man I’ll talk 70s 80s NFL all day
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Does he still do the sports anchor thing?
He retired a while back I think, iirc he was doing mission work or something with the Mormon Church
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Still pissed Bum for trading Archie to Hou for Leon Gray.
Terrible trade
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Jimmy the Greek once said Oakland was way too fast for Philly and that 83 Redskins team
Maybe, outside of Cliff Branch and Marcus Allen I guess don’t know how Much team “speed” they had. I think playing the Redskins during the season was a bigger factor especially the defensive coach that completely read the play right before the half that gave the Raiders 21-3 lead after a pick 6. Hayes and Haynes completely shut down the fun bunch.
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