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T or F: Coach K is one of the most overrated coaches of all time
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:42 am
Duke's 2018 recruiting class was arguably the best recruiting class, not only in CBB history, but in college sports history period. In basketball, we all know one player makes more of a difference to a team that in football or baseball. Coach K literally got the top 3 overall recruits in the country (RJ Barrett, Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish) and the #1 PG in the country (Tre Jones) and still could not make the Final Four. The year before he also had another all-time great recruiting class that featured 3 top 6 prospects (Marvin Bagley, Wendell Carter, Trevon Duval) and once again could not make the Final Four. I hear so much about Coach K being maybe the best CBB coach if all time but I dont really see what separates him from the likes of John Calipari who is criticized for not being an "Xs and Os" coach.
FYI: Two of those 2018 prospects (Zion and Barrett) went in the top 3 of the NBA Draft. The only time Coach Cal had two top 3 picks he won a national title. 5 times in history has a college bball team had two top 3 picks on their team. 2012 Kentucky (won a title) 2004 UCONN (won a title), 2014 Kansas, 2019 Duke, and 2002 Duke. Coach K has twice had two top 3 picks on his team and failed to win a title.
FYI: Two of those 2018 prospects (Zion and Barrett) went in the top 3 of the NBA Draft. The only time Coach Cal had two top 3 picks he won a national title. 5 times in history has a college bball team had two top 3 picks on their team. 2012 Kentucky (won a title) 2004 UCONN (won a title), 2014 Kansas, 2019 Duke, and 2002 Duke. Coach K has twice had two top 3 picks on his team and failed to win a title.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:43 am to PhillyFan1994
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:44 am to PhillyFan1994
put the crack pipe down
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:44 am to PhillyFan1994
he, like a ton of coaches, is great at recruiting and building a roster, he really is more of a CEO than a head coach
as far as X's and O's, I've never found him to be anything special. not bad at all, but not innovative or particularly great at adjusting to changes in game plan
as far as X's and O's, I've never found him to be anything special. not bad at all, but not innovative or particularly great at adjusting to changes in game plan
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:46 am to HT713
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as far as X's and O's, I've never found him to be anything special. not bad at all, but not innovative or particularly great at adjusting to changes in game plan
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:46 am to PhillyFan1994
Games aren't played on paper.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:48 am to PhillyFan1994
A single elimination tournament leads to lots of upsets all over the place. This is widely known and understood.
It’s an entertaining format and great for gambling and revenue but can often lead to fluky results. However Duke losing close games to top 5 or top 10 teams in the Elite 8 seems like a weird way to show someone is overrated.
At the end of the day, Krzyzewski has had Duke in the top 10 teams for much of 33 of the past 36 years. To me that’s more impressive than having the most wins all time, the second most titles of all time, and being tied for the most final 4 appearances all time, not to mention what he did with USA basketball.
It’s an entertaining format and great for gambling and revenue but can often lead to fluky results. However Duke losing close games to top 5 or top 10 teams in the Elite 8 seems like a weird way to show someone is overrated.
At the end of the day, Krzyzewski has had Duke in the top 10 teams for much of 33 of the past 36 years. To me that’s more impressive than having the most wins all time, the second most titles of all time, and being tied for the most final 4 appearances all time, not to mention what he did with USA basketball.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:49 am to PhillyFan1994
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I dont really see what separates him from the likes of John Calipari who is criticized for not being an "Xs and Os" coach.
4 championships
also I don't think anyone who watched Reddish or Duval in colleges said to themselves "this guy looks like a top recruit"
I do think he deserve some criticism. Sometime's he's too content to sit back and let the players try and figure it out when he needs to be micromanaging the game to the nth degree. And he mistakenly recruits too many players who don't really fit the type of ball he likes... but I assume he wants the challenge of trying to make all this top tier talent (allegedly) work together
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:49 am to PhillyFan1994
As much as I dislike him I think he is one of the greatest basketball coaches ever. You can't go to as many final fours and have 5 championships without being great. Last year just shows you how difficult it is to make a final four (especially with freshman no matter how talented). Actually I think it's harder to make final fours with lottery pick freshman than 3 and 4 year players. K and Cal are the only coaches that can get those types of teams to that level and both fail more than they succeed at that. So to answer your question, no K is not overrated.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:51 am to Tubedog13
False, but I think he is highly overrated as some intellectual giant. Maybe he just presents as a dork, but everytime I hear him in an interview or on his radio show, I cringe at how cliche and schmaltzy he is trying to be profound.
I'd like to hear some X's and O's discussion. Is he really all that better than someone like Calipari, who people primarily consider a recruiter/motivator?
I'd like to hear some X's and O's discussion. Is he really all that better than someone like Calipari, who people primarily consider a recruiter/motivator?
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:52 am to PhillyFan1994
Coach K down years are ACC Championships and a first round exit. Down years for Roy or Cal or others are straight up garbage teams that dont even sniff postseason.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:53 am to HT713
For X’s and O’s, he is great at preparation but doesn’t do as great a job on the fly. He still has some great games like last year’s Louisville game where he started pressing and eliminated a huge Louisville lead, but that’s not always a common occurrence.
My biggest critique is probably his complete aversion to zone defense until 2017.
Also, Cam Reddish has a high recruiting ranking but it’s always been one of the most puzzling things. The guy is supposed to the perfect three and d wing, yet he shot 29 percent from 3 in high school and has had bad stats in college and the NBA. It’s bewildering.
No one thinks he was a particularly good college player, certainly not top 3 on anything based on stats or actual results.
My biggest critique is probably his complete aversion to zone defense until 2017.
Also, Cam Reddish has a high recruiting ranking but it’s always been one of the most puzzling things. The guy is supposed to the perfect three and d wing, yet he shot 29 percent from 3 in high school and has had bad stats in college and the NBA. It’s bewildering.
No one thinks he was a particularly good college player, certainly not top 3 on anything based on stats or actual results.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:53 am to PhillyFan1994
He used to be one of the best ever. Now he's lazy. He doesn't even need to recruit anymore. If your parents are rich and/or a former professional athlete, or an elite prospect, you're probably playing basketball for Duke.
And he's less successful now than he was with guys like Laettner, Duhon and Williams.
And he's less successful now than he was with guys like Laettner, Duhon and Williams.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:55 am to Keys Open Doors
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For X’s and O’s, he is great at preparation but doesn’t do as great a job on the fly.
yeah you articulated this better than I could
once again, still a great great coach.
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Cam Reddish has a high recruiting ranking but it’s always been one of the most puzzling things. The guy is supposed to the perfect three and d wing, yet he shot 29 percent from 3 in high school and has had bad stats in college and the NBA. It’s bewildering.
have still never wrapped my head around what exactly is supposed to be so special about this dude
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:04 am to PhillyFan1994
quote:About 4 titles
I dont really see what separates him from the likes of John Calipari
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:06 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:I have never heard the term "schmaltzy" in my life and have no idea what it means...and yet I feel like it describes Coach K perfectly.
I cringe at how cliche and schmaltzy he is
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:19 am to Bunk Moreland
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I cringe at how cliche and schmaltzy he is trying to be profound.
It's why he fits so perfectly at Duke.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:26 am to Keys Open Doors
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Also, Cam Reddish has a high recruiting ranking but it’s always been one of the most puzzling things. The guy is supposed to the perfect three and d wing, yet he shot 29 percent from 3 in high school and has had bad stats in college and the NBA. It’s bewildering.
not sure he really fit all thaet well with Zion and Barrett. also, didn't he have some injury issues?
Hawks GM loves his versatility, and said they liked him as a secondary ballhandler when they drafted him. and they've used him in that way some as a rookie.
he started off a bit behind this year, missing summer league and I think some of training camp with an injury. but his numbers have gotten better every month. the D was there early, and the 3 point shooting has come around. and he's been reasonably healthy.
on the whole, he looks really promising, but it's gonna take some time.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:29 am to PhillyFan1994
Almost always has more talent than his opponents, and if you don't think they are paying players, you're crazy.
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