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re: Successful College Programs that were laid to waste when they ran off/fired their HC
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:10 pm to Boodis Man
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:10 pm to Boodis Man
Gus Malzahn. Guy goes 3-4, or 3-5 (can’t remember) against Nick Saban. No one came close to beating Saban that many times. Since he’s been fired been some average seasons.
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:37 pm to Jack Ruby
Arkansas ran off Ken Hatfield who still holds the highest winning percentage in program history before joining the SEC, really smart of them.
Then they did it again with Petrino.
Then they did it again with Petrino.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:45 pm to CU_Tigers4life
Texas A&M since RC Slocum got canned.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:48 pm to Great Plains Drifter
Osborne got over the hump because Nebraska's locker room was a pharmacy, Nebraska was able to rig the game with roster and scholarship tricks, and he was keen to fish star players out of jail after dragging women down the stairs by their hair.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:48 pm to Wally Sparks
They could have and had Broyles in his prime was the AD, it would have been settled behind closed doors and never been in the news.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:10 pm to POTUS2024
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Osborne got over the hump because Nebraska's locker room was a pharmacy, Nebraska was able to rig the game with roster and scholarship tricks, and he was keen to fish star players out of jail after dragging women down the stairs by their hair.
Eh, the Lawrence Phillips thing was bad, but look at arrest records from Georgia recently. What about that 08 Florida team. Alabama wasn't always recruiting God's children either. Colorado in the 90's was competing with Nebraska and also had their own band of thugs.
As for the 'roids. I think you'll find that cheating has taken on many different forms over the years. I'm sure Nebraska wasn't the only school with a pharmacy in the locker room. Hell, that movie The Program made reference to that shite. It was widespread. Paying players was widespread. Doctoring grades and heavy use of "tutors" and creating questionable classes a la UNC in the 2000's. In 2023, it was sign stealing that may have helped get Michigan over the hump. The list goes on.
I'm not gonna hold that against Tom Osborne, as he's not the only coach who may have pushed morals aside to win games.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:24 pm to dchog
Rice hasnt had a chance since we lost the Hat
Look back at some of those Rice teams with Hatfield we were beating byu, SD state, and others we had a real chance to become a dominant team in the wac
Granted the wac is not much now but would have put the Owls in a very different position
Look back at some of those Rice teams with Hatfield we were beating byu, SD state, and others we had a real chance to become a dominant team in the wac
Granted the wac is not much now but would have put the Owls in a very different position
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:41 am to dchog
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Arkansas ran off Ken Hatfield who still holds the highest winning percentage in program history before joining the SEC, really smart of them.
Clemson also ran him off after he replaced Danny Ford and they didn’t do shite until Dabo IIRC Hatfield was always underrated because of the old school wishbone offense.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:10 am to CU_Tigers4life
You can't say firing a guy is wrong because the school fails to get a better coach. Tennessee just spent a decade and a half in the wilderness trying to replace the great pumpkin. 5 coaches and NCAA probation later we get the next big thing. Very few schools are smart enough to get it right every time.
Some pretty good coaches can't do at one school what they accomplished at another. How much support do they get from the hierarchy that hired them? High school coaches hated Brian Harsin and he hated them. A thousand things can get in the way of success along the way.
Some pretty good coaches can't do at one school what they accomplished at another. How much support do they get from the hierarchy that hired them? High school coaches hated Brian Harsin and he hated them. A thousand things can get in the way of success along the way.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 6:17 am to bamameister
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You can't say firing a guy is wrong because the school fails to get a better coach
You are correct. That wasn't my intent in creating this thread. I was just talking about programs looking for greener pastures by getting rid of successful coaches and ending up making things worse.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:07 am to CU_Tigers4life
Tulane running off vince gibson(haven't beaten LSU since)
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:08 pm to OWLFAN86
He went 43-50 in the WAC and that is pretty good for Rice.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:13 pm to tigerpimpbot
Hatfield is a fine individual and I talked to him at a baseball game.
He deserved better at Arkansas. Once they got rid of him, Arkansas had the first losing season in over 20 seasons with the hire of Jack Crowe.
First year in the SEC, Arkansas lost to the Citadel and Broyles fired Crowe. Arkansas didn't recover fully when Hatfield left. Houston Nutt had something going but could never get over the hump and was fired. Petrino had them rolling until his firing and that was the beginning of the end.
He deserved better at Arkansas. Once they got rid of him, Arkansas had the first losing season in over 20 seasons with the hire of Jack Crowe.
First year in the SEC, Arkansas lost to the Citadel and Broyles fired Crowe. Arkansas didn't recover fully when Hatfield left. Houston Nutt had something going but could never get over the hump and was fired. Petrino had them rolling until his firing and that was the beginning of the end.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:28 pm to jclem11
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Donovan McNabb. Dwight Freeney.
Marvin Harrison too.
Apparently the new hire at Syracuse is a great recruiter so maybe he'll have them getting back to at least being a respected team again. It's a tough job though, they're in a recruiting dead zone, not a huge school with a massive alumni base (though they have a lot of media alumni because of the communications school), and their fans actually have pretty high expectations because of some of the success they had in the past.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:13 am to mattfromnj
Jeff Bowers getting fired at USM is the biggest to me. They were always consistently bowl eligible and would have a huge upset every few years. They hired Fedora afterwards, made a little bit of noise and then promptly went 0-11 and never recovered after he left.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:42 am to CU_Tigers4life
Some of the ones that I think of wasn't because of a firing. But retirement, but sort of pushed out.
Frank Beamer - Va Tech - They haven't been anywhere close to the same. Absolutely zero relevancy compared to being a yearly ACC boss.
Tennessee - ran Fulmer out, and just now getting back to being competetive with Pruitt
Nebraska hasn't been the same since running off Frank Solich.
Frank Beamer - Va Tech - They haven't been anywhere close to the same. Absolutely zero relevancy compared to being a yearly ACC boss.
Tennessee - ran Fulmer out, and just now getting back to being competetive with Pruitt
Nebraska hasn't been the same since running off Frank Solich.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:49 am to mattfromnj
Pasqualoni was a good mention. The Cuse were pretty solid under him and MacPherson.
I feel like Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt or Maryland or one of those eastern schools can be really solid if they make an all-in push.
I feel like Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt or Maryland or one of those eastern schools can be really solid if they make an all-in push.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:59 am to SoDakHawk
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Iowa learned from Nebraska s mistake and has had Fry and Ferentz for over 40 years now, valuing stability and the sometimes down year for the upside big years.
Not sure what you consider a "big" year, but they haven't won a conference title in 20 years and haven't won it all since 1960. They've been better than Nebraska over the past 20 years, but that's really not saying much.
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