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re: Stealing signs? Bush league or part of the game?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:40 pm to Dale Murphy
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:40 pm to Dale Murphy
part of the game
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:48 pm to Dale Murphy
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And on a side note, Heyward knew what was coming and still whiffed. Have fun Cubs fans.
Yeah, I think part of the stare down was he had no idea what was coming. It looked like he tipped him the wrong pitch. If Heyward doesn't stare the guy down like a jack arse there is no issue.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:50 pm to therick711
If you aren't trying to steal signs are you even trying to win?
-Runner on first or second and the catcher isn't smart enough to put down more than one number.
-First base coach because the catcher can't close his legs.
-Dugout stealing them from the coach to the catcher (personal favorite).
Tendencies are more difficult to pick up the higher you get in baseball. However, knowing a curve is coming because the pitcher's index finger goes up is fair game.
Regardless, if you are doing it right, no one would know. It's not like a guy in the Dugout should be yelling "hey Johnny, here comes a fastball."
On the other side, as a catcher, I would never hit anyone for stealing our signs. I'd just go to the mound and change sets. If you got them off us, good job, let's change sets and see if you can get them now. It's not worth giving up a base runner.
-Runner on first or second and the catcher isn't smart enough to put down more than one number.
-First base coach because the catcher can't close his legs.
-Dugout stealing them from the coach to the catcher (personal favorite).
Tendencies are more difficult to pick up the higher you get in baseball. However, knowing a curve is coming because the pitcher's index finger goes up is fair game.
Regardless, if you are doing it right, no one would know. It's not like a guy in the Dugout should be yelling "hey Johnny, here comes a fastball."
On the other side, as a catcher, I would never hit anyone for stealing our signs. I'd just go to the mound and change sets. If you got them off us, good job, let's change sets and see if you can get them now. It's not worth giving up a base runner.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
MLB has some silly rules and all the unwritten rules.
If you can get away with it, why not?
If MLB team is not smart enough to cover it up, why not?
It happens all the time in college.
If you can get away with it, why not?
If MLB team is not smart enough to cover it up, why not?
It happens all the time in college.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:57 pm to EastNastySwag
Any so-called sport that has unwritten rules is for pussies.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:14 pm to Zoltan
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Yeah, I think part of the stare down was he had no idea what was coming. It looked like he tipped him the wrong pitch.
I know, but it's always fun to pick on Heyward.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:33 pm to Dale Murphy
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Paul Harbor used to be our designated sign stealer back in the day.
Those weren't the only things he used to steal.
#hmickel
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:46 pm to Hot Carl
I had completely forgotten about that.
RIP
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#hmickel
RIP
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:53 pm to Dale Murphy
I had too until I read that post.
Keith McCormicks dad used to steal signs from 1st base on that Dodgers team. He would pick em up usually in the 1st inning. He'd yell your 1st name for fastball, last name for curve. I was amazed that almost no team ever caught on. But I agree with most on here--player or coach picks them up, totally fair and part of the game.
Btw, you think anybody ever picked up Shake's signs? They were relatively complicated.
Keith McCormicks dad used to steal signs from 1st base on that Dodgers team. He would pick em up usually in the 1st inning. He'd yell your 1st name for fastball, last name for curve. I was amazed that almost no team ever caught on. But I agree with most on here--player or coach picks them up, totally fair and part of the game.
Btw, you think anybody ever picked up Shake's signs? They were relatively complicated.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:01 pm to Hot Carl
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Btw, you think anybody ever picked up Shake's signs? They were relatively complicated.
Not on his pitches. Trey Fisher used to brag about how he'd steal everyone's signals. He could never figure ours out. They were good.
Every once in awhile I'll try to pick up signals during Tag's games. I'll give name for fastball, number for off speed. I try not to do it too much though and become too obvious.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:10 pm to Dale Murphy
I'm ok with it in certain situations. For instance if a runner on second is stealing them then relaying them to the batter then tough titties get better signs BUT if someone who isn't playing is spying on the signs and stealing them or using binoculars from the stands or something then I disagree with it
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It depends who is stealing them and who they are being stolen from. Obviously in the big leagues the catchers call the game, so the signs would have to be stolen from him. If it is a runner on second that is stealing them then I say it is part of the game. However, if it is somebody in center field with binoculars (looking at you Blue Jays), then it is bush league.
Exactly
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:26 pm to Dale Murphy
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Not on his pitches
That's what I meant.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:35 pm to Atom Knab
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First base coach because the catcher can't close his legs. -Dugout
We used to play a team in our district in high school that had a first base coach who would literally lean out into fair territory trying to see the catcher's signs. Bush league.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:41 pm to High C
It is considered bush/uncool for the hitter to be glancing back at the catcher to see his signal to the pitcher. Runner on second sees the same signals, no problem.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:02 pm to High C
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We used to play a team in our district in high school that had a first base coach who would literally lean out into fair territory trying to see the catcher's signs. Bush league.
Pickoff to 1st a little errant and hits 1B coach in ribs. Probably would've ended that noise real quick like.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If I can figure out your sign simply by looking at it lol its not really a sign then is it lol that's a signal
Used to pitched in hs. I only could throw three balls lol be for each game we came up with new signs. Took all of half a minute lol
Used to pitched in hs. I only could throw three balls lol be for each game we came up with new signs. Took all of half a minute lol
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:14 pm to Dale Murphy
Bob Wynne would slap the shite out of you if he read this sorry thread
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:18 pm to Hot Carl
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McCormicks dad used to steal signs from 1st base on that Dodgers team. He would pick em up usually in the 1st inning. He'd yell your 1st name for fastball, last name for curve. I was amazed that almost no team ever caught on. But I agree with most on here--player or coach picks them up, totally fair and part of the game.
We used the same first name/last name on that Cubs team. No one cares though because we won 3 games in 2 years.
I believe 9 of the 12 on that 2nd year team played high school ball in some form or fashion and we won TWO GAMES. All of us were all stars in 11-12. I remember in 7th grade everyone was scared to death the day after the team's were announced. It was "unfair" for us to be that loaded. 
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:19 pm to Dale Murphy
It's totally ok. Part of the game.
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