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Stanford's continued success post Harbaugh- does it mitigate what he did there?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:52 pm
Does Stanford's ability to maintain quality, winning play post 2010/2011 undermine the notion that harbaugh was the key to turning around the program?
One could argue that he came in right when the program for some reason was going to take off and become good. In other words, he was just along for the ride, a ride that hasn't stopped yet
Or does their success since he left make his work there look even better? He so thoroughly changed the culture there that it survived and thrived after him.
I don't know the answer
One could argue that he came in right when the program for some reason was going to take off and become good. In other words, he was just along for the ride, a ride that hasn't stopped yet
Or does their success since he left make his work there look even better? He so thoroughly changed the culture there that it survived and thrived after him.
I don't know the answer
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Did LSU's continued "success" under Miles mitigate what Saban did there?
No.
Harbaugh built that program back up.
No.
Harbaugh built that program back up.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not sure of the answer to the OP, but Harbaugh is certainly overrated, if that helps.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Stanford's 5 years before Harbaugh got there:
2-9
4-7
4-7
5-6
1-11
Hell no it doesn't "mitigate" what he did there.
2-9
4-7
4-7
5-6
1-11
Hell no it doesn't "mitigate" what he did there.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Harbaugh is a great example of why Dabo should stay at Clemson.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
I don't know the answer
The answer is easy, no.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
if anything it strengthens his legacy b/c he established an identity/philosophy that they continue to use
invest in the lines (Which is difficult for Stanford, esp on the DL)
pro style offense. disciplined D that sets the edge
try to get 1 gadget player
use the shite out of the TE
invest in the lines (Which is difficult for Stanford, esp on the DL)
pro style offense. disciplined D that sets the edge
try to get 1 gadget player
use the shite out of the TE
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Does the 49ers suckage pre and post Harbaugh validate him to be a good coach?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:07 pm to TigerNlc
quote:Yea, that's kinda my issue with the thinking either way.
Does the 49ers suckage pre and post Harbaugh validate him to be a good coach?
You can't really say a team going to shite after one leaves is proof that he's good AND also say a team remaining at the same level after a coach leaves as also proof that he's a good coach.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
undermine the notion that harbaugh was the key to turning around the program?
Uhhh...then who was the key to turning around that program? If not the HC at the time? From 1-10 to 12-1?
Some mystical rock they found under Leland's grave?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
HailHailtoMichigan!
What are your thoughts on him at Michigan right now? All the other UM grads in the group I spend time with still love him and his antics, love his recruiting, and credit him with turning the program around after some poor hires. There is acknowledgment though, that he needs to start beating his rivals.
quote:
"Well aware of what the record is,” Harbaugh said Monday. “Against Michigan State and Ohio State we’re 1-4. The record against all other opponents is 23-3.”
That record is very likely to be 1-5 at the end of this season.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:15 pm to shel311
quote:
You can't really say a team going to shite after one leaves is proof that he's good AND also say a team remaining at the same level after a coach leaves as also proof that he's a good coach.
Of course you can, because every situation is different.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:18 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Then people will just use the "evidence" to fit whatever narrative they already have about that coach.
Of course you can, because every situation is different.
That's pretty lame.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
invest in the lines (Which is difficult for Stanford, esp on the DL)
pro style offense. disciplined D that sets the edge
try to get 1 gadget player
use the shite out of the TE
so...those are the reasons Stanford's was successful and not Andrew Luck?
Too funny.
Put Luck on Michigan this year and they are competing for titles. Without a Luck, they are set to finish 3rd in the BigTen East once again
Michigan has good lines, good TEs, more than one gadget player, but they dont have a QB.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:23 pm to lsu711
quote:
Harbaugh is a great example of why Dabo should stay at Clemson.
Being a play away from being a Super Bowl Champion?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Are you starting to melt dude?
Wait what??
quote:
One could argue that he came in right when the program for some reason was going to take off and become good. In other words, he was just along for the ride, a ride that hasn't stopped yet
Wait what??
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:29 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
That record is very likely to be 1-5 at the end of this season.
David Shaw also did better than Harbaugh at Stanford.
Without Luck, Harbaugh was 9-16
With Luck, 20-6
Shaw also actually won a conference championship. Harbaugh, nope.
Harbaughs entire college legacy is fake news and there are several data points proving as much.
He only had ONE good year at Stanford where he won more than 8 games but we have dopes in here saying he changed the identity of the program. Just lol
4-8
5-7
8-5
12-1
then he bolts as soon as Luck is drafted. Def a program changer
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:In fairness, that statement isn't THAT crazy. He had 2 losing seasons, then 2 winning seasons that coincided with having Luck at QB.
Wait what??
Now of course, he should get credit for getting Luck, but he was still pretty fortunate in that regard IMO.
Not sure I'd 100% agree with him just being along for the ride, but I think he also had a good amount of luck too...pun intended.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:38 pm to shel311
quote:
Now of course, he should get credit for getting Luck, but he was still pretty fortunate in that regard IMO.
people love to underestimate the difference-making abiity of the QB in college football
Luck was the consensus #1 pick two years in a row but Stanfords success was because of a good TE and a gadget player. Not sure if serious
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
ITs easier to keep a successful program successful than turn a horrible program into a successful one. Think about it from a recruiting standpoint, recruits want to play for winners
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