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re: Spinoff: More skilled player: MJ or Steph Curry?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:23 am to WeBeezYoSuperBowl
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:23 am to WeBeezYoSuperBowl
People can't talk about MJ without mentioning Lebron
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Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:25 am to WeBeezYoSuperBowl
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How the hell did Lebron get entered into this discussion? This is about more skilled MJ or Curry.
LeBron is the greatest thing that has ever happened to the sport of basketball. I'll allow it.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:25 am to goldenbadger08
some of the anti-MJ comments in this thread are hilarious
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:25 am to goldenbadger08
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People can't talk about MJ without mentioning Lebron
Ahh of course. Lebron wears MJ's number and pajamas at night. Nuff said.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:26 am to tgr4ever
quote:You tell me, did it work?
In the 2013 finals vs the Spurs, Pop game planned vs LeBron by daring him to take jumpshots . You tell me- would teams do that vs MJ?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:26 am to Goldrush25
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Skills are what you learn. Talent is what you are given. There are people on the streets with better skills than NBA players, but they're devoid of talent. Without talent you have no way of translating that skill to the big stage.
I think the free throw s made consecutively is owned by an old white guy by the name of Ed Palubinskas
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:27 am to Klark Kent
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some of the anti-MJ comments in this thread are hilarious
I've been on the floor since last night. It's like talking to a bunch of teenagers.
"Yea MJ was good, but but but."
Are you fricking kidding me...
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:28 am to LSU Fan 90812
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Fwiw, I'm loving the new "different skillset, different eras" copout. It's like saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
it depends on how we define skill. if we are limiting it to shooting, dribbling, passing, then yes, curry is more skilled than jordan.
the people(myself included) arguing for jordan are opening up the definition and making it more applicable to a game of 5 on 5 basketball, and including other skillsets such as defense, post game, fadeaway technique, etc.
either way, one thing that doesn't need to be said is that jordan was by far more physically gifted, which enabled him to be more dynamic around and above the rim. this aspect of jordan's game was based much more on talent rather than skill.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:28 am to LSU Fan 90812
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I think the free throw s made consecutively is owned by an old white guy by the name of Ed Palubinskas
Dude is fricking awesome.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:32 am to SwaggerCopter
he's a dick IRL.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:33 am to 632627
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the people(myself included) arguing for jordan are opening up the definition and making it more applicable to a game of 5 on 5 basketball, and including other skillets such as defense, post game, fadeaway technique, etc
Effective defense, post game, fadeaway prowess, are primarily governed by talent. If you're not tall enough, muscled enough, or have enough agility and coordination, you won't be good at those things. Some 5'5'' shrimp won't be able to do any of that effectively at a high level. That's primarily talent.
However that same guy can eventually shoot the lights out, have amazing handles, and drop dimes all the time if he practices enough. That's skill.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:37 am to Goldrush25
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However that same guy can eventually shoot the lights out, have amazing handles, and drop dimes all the time if he practices enough. That's skill.
It does get a bit complicated here. Hand-eye coordination is the big thing for shooting and dribbling. Those are skills, but Steph Curry probably has the best hand-eye coordination on the planet. Kerr was talking about it the other day.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:38 am to Klark Kent
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he's a dick IRL.
Is he really? Or are you just messing with me?
I hate it when my heroes let me down.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:42 am to Goldrush25
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post game, fadeaway prowess, are primarily governed by talent.
Not true. Look at how many super athletic/talented big guys have come through the nba and had zero post game. Then look at Olajuwon, Ewing, Kareem and Jordan. They developed devastating post games with fade aways(or sky hooks). Their success was absolutely based on learning and developing a skill. Thats what separates them from the kwame brown's of the nba, of which there have been a lot. The only guy who i would say your argument applies to is shaq, who's post game was predicated from brute strength.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:44 am to SwaggerCopter
he coached me during the summers at Spectrum on Monteray Blvd in BR for a couple years. Yeah, he's a dick.
A really intelligent and knowledgeable dick tho.
He coached girls basketball out at Central Private High School in Central for a while too. He's also an extremely talented painter/artist. The mural he did on CP's varsity basketball court in the 90's was incredible.
A really intelligent and knowledgeable dick tho.
He coached girls basketball out at Central Private High School in Central for a while too. He's also an extremely talented painter/artist. The mural he did on CP's varsity basketball court in the 90's was incredible.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:46 am to goldenbadger08
there are a lot of skills that people are not even considering.
post moves, rebounding, defense. Those are skills.
Jordan is a better player, and he isn't because he is just that much more athletic than Curry.
Curry is a way better 3 point shooter. Thats why this is even a question that you could ask without people laughing at you.
post moves, rebounding, defense. Those are skills.
Jordan is a better player, and he isn't because he is just that much more athletic than Curry.
Curry is a way better 3 point shooter. Thats why this is even a question that you could ask without people laughing at you.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:49 am to 632627
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Not true. Look at how many super athletic/talented big guys have come through the nba and had zero post game. Then look at Olajuwon, Ewing, Kareem and Jordan. They developed devastating post games with fade aways(or sky hooks). Their success was absolutely based on learning and developing a skill. Thats what separates them from the kwame brown's of the nba, of which there have been a lot. The only guy who i would say your argument applies to is shaq, who's post game was predicated from brute strength
My point is that the size is the minimum prerequisite. You can't do it without the size no matter how much you try. Do we see anyone Curry's size with a dominating post game? No. All of those guys, the super atheletic guys with zero post game, and the Olajowons, Ewings, whoever, they all had size.
Of course even with the size you have to practice at it, but it's the size (which is under the talent umbrella) that gives you the platform to exercise that skill at a professional athletic level.
Clearly there is a good bit of skill/talent overlap between some of the things that make a great player.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 11:55 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:59 am to Goldrush25
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My point is that the size is the minimum prerequisite. You can't do it without the size no matter how much you try. Do we see anyone Curry's size with a dominating post game? No. All of those guys, the super atheletic guys with zero post game, and the Olajowons, Ewings, whoever, they all had size.
Of course even with the size you have to practice at it, but it's the size (which is under the talent umbrella) that gives you the platform to exercise that skill at a professional athletic level.
You actually validated my argument that Jordan's post game is a skill, as Jordan was only 6'6 and is a lot closer in size to 6'3 steph curry then he was to the 7 footers normally found in the post. So that kind of throws the whole size argument out the window.
I will agree with you that defensive prowess is predicated mainly on talent and athleticism. But Jordan's post and fadeaway game is absolutely a developed skill that was more lethal than curry's slick handles and quick release.
keep in mind jordan only developed the post game later in his career when he couldn't rely solely on his athleticism.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:05 pm to 632627
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You actually validated my argument that Jordan's post game is a skill, as Jordan was only 6'6 and is a lot closer in size to 6'3 steph curry then he was to the 7 footers normally found in the post. So that kind of throws the whole size argument out the window.
One case throws the size argument out of the window? No I'd say MJ's phenomenal overall talent makes him the exception to the rule. Even still, 6'6'' is not small. On the other hand, Steph Curry's height is far below average. He can practice post moves all he wants but he'll end up with most of his shots getting sent away.
I never argued that post skills aren't skills. It's just a skill that's primarily governed by athletic talent in a way that shooting, dribbling, passing are not.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:15 pm to Goldrush25
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One case throws the size argument out of the window? No I'd say MJ's phenomenal overall talent makes him the exception to the rule. Even still, 6'6'' is not small. On the other hand, Steph Curry's height is far below average. He can practice post moves all he wants but he'll end up with most of his shots getting sent away.
I never argued that post skills aren't skills. It's just a skill that's primarily governed by athletic talent in a way that shooting, dribbling, passing are not.
it's actually all relative. Hakeem or Ewing in the post will be guarded by a fellow 7 footer. Jordan at 6'6 is about the average height for a 2 guard, and would be guarded in the post by a 2 or a 3. Curry at 6'3 is your average height for a point guard, and if he was backing somebody down in the post, they would be about the same height as him. Athletically, jordan is/was superior to curry, but in terms of height, curry doesn't suffer any disadvantages as his fellow point guards are the same height as him. Guys like magic and lebron benefit greatly from their height, jordan not so much.
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