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re: Sources: Big Ten coaches urge action against UM. Update: Connor Stalions has been fired
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:29 am to KillerNut9
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:29 am to KillerNut9
do you think teams keep the same signals the whole year when there's non illegal ways (like Michigan) to access them already? 
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:36 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Teams now have 500 "analysts" that assist in every facet of the game. If you think this is uncommon, then you may as well believe players weren't getting paid prior to NIL.
...and you think that's all they did.
Bless your heart.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:38 am to EZE Tiger Fan
"The SEC has bigger dirtbags" isn't a winning argument.
And yes, a big part of this is because of who they are and how they acted with Tressel and Meyer.
They should be hammered.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:39 am to Jcorye1
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Yes lol.
Another one...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:50 am to More beer please
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"Whats the big deal? Doesnt everybody have a low level staffer run a ticket ring syndicate across the country using his network of spies to steal signs while also cosplaying as James Bond on the opposing sideline of your little brother school?"
That shite is beyond hilarious to me. I'm sorry if that triggers anyone.
Like another poster said, if this was the SEC, another team would try like hell to get that same crew on their staff. We are used to watching several schools cheating in every facet of the sport.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:53 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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"The SEC has bigger dirtbags" isn't a winning argument
Never said it was. All of it since the dawn of the sport has been pretty shameful. Again, SEC schools have learned from the best and have done all we can to keep up. There's a reason why the two schools put on probation the most are Bama and Auburn.
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And yes, a big part of this is because of who they are and how they acted with Tressel and Meyer.
They should be hammered.
Agreed. The tattoo shite was stupid. Yes, there is a double standard. Again, we are used to double standards. Hell, we are in a conference where you can beat the biggest cheater in history and then be told your win meant nothing. What do you do then?
You guys are still beating Michigan despite all of this. Consider yourselves lucky.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:58 am to KillerNut9
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Yeah, I’m sure Michigan totally doesn’t have the signs for their remaining opponents.
If you are a future opponent of Michigan and you don't change your signals the week before your game vs Michigan your head coach should be fired.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:00 am to Nathan Hail
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what are people gonna cry about when Michigan finishes the regular season 5-0 after the vast network was discovered?
How is this relevant? Cheating is cheating.
If I get caught cheating on a test, the idea that I would’ve made a good grade anyway is not a defense.
These games often have razor-thin margins.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:01 am to RLDSC FAN
My stance has always been, for OSU and everyone else, if you're cheating and get caught, you pay the piper so to say
The sign stealing already done in 2023 should impact the 2023 team. I agree with some people who are saying teams have time to change their signs for the rest of the year. I don't know how long it takes of course to change your entire sheet, but everyone has known about this for 2 weeks now. A lot of changes can be made.
I don't know the right overall punishment, because there has been so many crazy one offs. Did they hack into OSU's cloud server and steal practice film? Was this dude at a CMU game or whatever wearing their clothes? Did Michigan in any way fund these 30 trips and tickets? What coaches if any knew what was going on? Why is a recruiting intern standing next to the head coach/coordinators and helping them call plays?
If Michigan funded these trips/tickets or if there is evidence they stole tape off a server from another team, that's serious to me. If they can't follow the bread crumbs and get them for 1 of those 2 things, it seems kind of meh
The sign stealing already done in 2023 should impact the 2023 team. I agree with some people who are saying teams have time to change their signs for the rest of the year. I don't know how long it takes of course to change your entire sheet, but everyone has known about this for 2 weeks now. A lot of changes can be made.
I don't know the right overall punishment, because there has been so many crazy one offs. Did they hack into OSU's cloud server and steal practice film? Was this dude at a CMU game or whatever wearing their clothes? Did Michigan in any way fund these 30 trips and tickets? What coaches if any knew what was going on? Why is a recruiting intern standing next to the head coach/coordinators and helping them call plays?
If Michigan funded these trips/tickets or if there is evidence they stole tape off a server from another team, that's serious to me. If they can't follow the bread crumbs and get them for 1 of those 2 things, it seems kind of meh
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:05 am to SoggyBottomBaw
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This is literally in the same category as parking in a space reserved for disabled people: reprobate, worthy of reprimand and fine, but so far from uncommon or unheard of as to be less than insignificant to all but the most unctuous do-gooders..
Early on, I was in agreement with you. But as more and more allegations come out, I’m leaning towards this being more serious than I originally thought.
Especially if the claims that Stalions went on the sidelines of other teams in disguise, or that Michigan shared their sign-stealing info with other teams to affect the playoff landscape are proven.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:06 am to Epic Cajun
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If you are a future opponent of Michigan and you don't change your signals the week before your game vs Michigan your head coach should be fired.
I’m sure teams will do things different. But this is still a pain in the arse for the teams Michigan plays sooner.
Again, if changing your signals is as easy and as quick of a turnaround as some posters are implying, why in the world did Sparty choose to run their playcalls in 2 weeks ago? And why wasn’t Ohio State able to change everything last year?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:11 am to KillerNut9
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why in the world did Sparty choose to run their playcalls in 2 weeks ago?
The same team that doesn't have a head coach that it started the season with.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:11 am to RLDSC FAN
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I still don't think anything happens because of all the money involved.
Or maybe, just perhaps, legal has a say in this?
You know, if your peers could complain and bitch about you in your employment and that's all it took for swift, no due process.
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The call, which took 90 minutes, included nearly an hour without Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh
Colleges love Kangaroo courts. In all those "sexual assault" cases, they never let the accused confront their accusers.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:14 am to deathvalleyfreak43
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If Ed Orgeron can do it mid game then I’m confident anyone can.
If they could swing it they should use at least a few of the same signs but change up what they mean.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:15 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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The same team that doesn't have a head coach that it started the season with.
So only Mel Tucker had the brain power on that entire staff to implement new signals within a week?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:16 am to KillerNut9
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Teams that play Michigan the next few weeks have no shot at completely overhauling it. There’s a reason why MSU ran in their playcalls last week
MSU ran in their play calls and got beat by 5 TDs...
It's not that difficult to change signs especially since in a 3 sign sequence one is the formation which you won't have to change anyways
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:21 am to KillerNut9
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So only Mel Tucker had the brain power on that entire staff to implement new signals within a week?
Point is, a team with coaching chaos figured out how to get around it, and still lost by 5TDs.
Ryan Day is supposed to be one of the top coaches in the game. He should have no issues changing things up.
As an LSU fan, I have no doubt our DC, Matt House, would be unable to adjust to something like this easily. He's an idiot.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:26 am to EZE Tiger Fan
FWIW, I’m not arguing what Sparty did or didn’t do would have an impact on the final outcome. They are terrible. They would have gotten their arse kicked regardless.
My point is overhauling a signaling system isn’t as easy and quick as folks are implying. Could a team do it within a game week? I’m sure. Would it not impact other game planning activities? It absolutely would. There is a reason why Ohio State wasn’t able to scrap everything during their game last year.
If these changes are as easy and quick as folks are implying, teams would be adjusting their signals every single week.
My point is overhauling a signaling system isn’t as easy and quick as folks are implying. Could a team do it within a game week? I’m sure. Would it not impact other game planning activities? It absolutely would. There is a reason why Ohio State wasn’t able to scrap everything during their game last year.
If these changes are as easy and quick as folks are implying, teams would be adjusting their signals every single week.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:31 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Point is, a team with coaching chaos figured out how to get around it, and still lost by 5TDs.
What does that matter? MSU is absolute dogshit. You me and PJ could probably go out there and beat them.
Just because teams can figure out a way around it doesnt mean Michigan didnt get caught breaking the rules.
shite, LSU players signed a few autographs days before NIL became a thing and they still got in trouble.
Everybody who gets caught doing shite that shouldnt be against the rules still has to pay the consequences. This time its Michigan.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:33 am to hashtag
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I feel like this entire thing is intentionally being blown up just so that they can get helmet communication for QBs and a QB on defense like in the NFL.
No reason this should not be allowed
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