re: Sources: Big Ten coaches urge action against UM. Update: Connor Stalions has been fired

So you're just going all in on this fantasy?

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Several sources at Michigan and in the media tell TheWolverine.com they are gathering evidence on two private investigators they believe are behind the investigation into U-M’s alleged illegal on-site scouting. The same sources also believe the two are responsible for the media leaks that have kept the story in the news for weeks.

Reporters are working to put the pieces together, but we know Michigan is currently in possession of documents that could link one of the alleged investigators to Day’s younger brother, Timothy Day. The other they suspect is linked to Day’s brother, Christopher, and was also a classmate of Tim Day’s in New Hampshire. One currently runs a private investigation firm in Manchester, N.H., Day’s hometown.

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So what? Who the PIs are associated with doesn't change that they got caught red handed cheating.

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Reporters are working to put the pieces together, but we know Michigan is currently in possession of documents that could link one of the alleged investigators to Day’s younger brother, Timothy Day. The other they suspect is linked to Day’s brother, Christopher, and was also a classmate of Tim Day’s in New Hampshire. One currently runs a private investigation firm in Manchester, N.H., Day’s hometown.

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Just like I predicted, Ohio state going to come out looking worse off than anyone else here

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let me repeat, I do NOT have all the answers at this moment. but if OSU/Ryan day were involved, this is a potential felony level act

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Again even more sloooowwwlyyy,


If this hacking was a felony, it would need to prosecuted. The state/feds would need to provide evidence to the court, including any documents that were allegedly hacked, aka all the sign stealing materials. They would need to entered into evidence and corroborated by the creator (aka Stalions) as being the actual documents that were hacked. They wouldn't be used against Michigan by the court to vacate wins, obviously. But they would need to be put into the public record and verified as real.

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stallions having people go to games does NOT violate any state or federal law. do you understand? like seriously, do you understand what i just wrote? there's no law in America which says that Stallions going to games or him paying others to go to games and record is against ANY state or federal law. these are only concerns that the NCAA will deal with

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I never said any of that, not sure where you're getting that from.

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also, i don't know what money tracking spreadsheet you're talking about

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So you have no idea what you're talking about. Classic.

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Just like I predicted, Ohio state going to come out looking worse off than anyone else here

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Well if you predicted it, then I feel good about OSU's chances

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MJackson

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Non biased person who just read the last couple of pages.

KosmoCramer is basically saying Michigan blaming OSU for this PI stuff and trying to press charges for hacking will only solidify that Michigan was blatantly cheating because it will be proved in court (if it did in fact happen). Everyone involved on the Michigan side would be brought into court to collaborate the stories that they were in fact stealing signs, spying on sidelines etc.

In other words, if OSU goes down for hacking servers Michigan will also go down for sign stealing/cheating because they would have told on themselves while trying to prove OSU hacked their systems.

You’re wasting your energy trying to explain anything to that door knob

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Non biased person who just read the last couple of pages.

KosmoCramer is basically saying Michigan blaming OSU for this PI stuff and trying to press charges for hacking will only solidify that Michigan was blatantly cheating because it will be proved in court (if it did in fact happen). Everyone involved on the Michigan side would be brought into court to collaborate the stories that they were in fact stealing signs, spying on sidelines etc.

In other words, if OSU goes down for hacking servers Michigan will also go down for sign stealing/cheating because they would have told on themselves while trying to prove OSU hacked their systems.

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i understand all of that

what i'm saying is that, UM already met w/ the NCAA. they were in AA last week. UM administration feels really good about the entire situation. so much so, that it's been reported that JH has "broad support" at UM (president, AD, regents, etc), and he's expected to sign a contract extension

even if Stallions does have to go to court, none of this traces back to our actual staff (OC/DC/Lbs coach, etc) nor JH, which is what the NCAA truly cares about from a CFB perspective


illegally hacking another university's computer systems w/o authorization is MUCH more damaging than a low-level staffer who hired 3rd party affiliates to record other teams' signals (which again, for the 10th time, is NOT technically prohibited by NCAA rules), which BTW, the NCAA contemplated removing the rule in 2021 anyways

it's pretty obvious that CS was a rogue actor, as Dan Wetzel tweeted today, and UM is expecting minimal sanctions from the NCAA

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TL;DR - Stallions is a low-level staffer who went rogue and obtained signals in a manner which may or may not be prohibited by NCAA rules (depending on if 3rd party affiliates can record signals)

if true, Ryan Day's POTENTIAL direct involvement in the illegal hacking/searching is a POTENTIAL felony that may break federal law

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it's pretty obvious that CS was a rogue actor,

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All I have to say is rogue actors aren't standing by the OC and DC during games while clearly having an influence on the play calling....

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illegally hacking another university's computer systems w/o authorization is MUCH more damaging than a low-level staffer who hired 3rd party affiliates to record other teams' signals

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Also, I do think its funny how you are continually trying to downplay the situation on MUs end while jumping to large other conclusions that would benefit your situation. Even if OSU was involved with the leak you have already jumped to the hacking conclusion. Just be consistent.

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All I have to say is rogue actors aren't standing by the OC and DC during games while clearly having an influence on the play calling....

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rogue meaning the way he obtained signals and deciphered signals. there's no evidence to suggest that anyone on the staff knew about this whole operation

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Also, I do think its funny how you are continually trying to downplay the situation on MUs end while jumping to large other conclusions that would benefit your situation. Even if OSU was involved with the leak you have already jumped to the hacking conclusion. Just be consistent.

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for the millionth time. one is MAYBE breaking NCAA rules. the other is maybe breaking FEDERAL law, which is classified as a felony

potential NCAA violation vs. illegal activity per Federal law

I don't think YOU are understanding the huge disparity in situations