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re: Something that doesn't sit right with me-UCF
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:46 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:46 pm to Bunk Moreland
Bunk has the solution, via Dan Wetzel. Make more games relevant. Every conference is represented. No excuses.
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:50 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:Yeah they were 5-2, not including the tcu/Boise game. Their wins were against:
G5 teams are 2-1 in NY6 games and non BCS conferences had a great record in BCS games
Big East champ
Big 12 champ
Bama
Big 10 champ
Big 12 champ
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:57 pm to TH03
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It is because college football does not have a way of objective way determining who the best team is
The issue has been and will continue to be the notion that the "best" team should be champion. It's a silly criteria that has no objective way of being determined with 126 participants. Half of the 1A football teams are essentially excluded from the start.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:08 pm to Wayne Campbell
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It's a silly criteria that has no objective way of being determined with 126 participants.
Right, that is why TH03 had the idea of every team playing each other. We need to avoid the games being played on paper!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:11 pm to theOG
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hat is why TH03 had the idea of every team playing each other. We need to avoid the games being played on paper!
Which is equally as obtuse. All there needs to be is an actual set criteria of how teams make the playoffs. Just like virtually every other level of every sport. There can still be room for some subjectivity, just give me a concrete goal that every team in the country can set out to achieve at the beginning of the season, ie. win your conference.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:23 pm to theOG
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Based on UCF's resume and the eye test according to my very imperfect eyes, UCF is not one of the best four teams in college football.
Insufficient data to give a true answer.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:24 pm to theOG
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Right, that is why TH03 had the idea of every team playing each other. We need to avoid the games being played on paper!
Again I never said that...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:36 pm to TH03
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Again I never said that...
Not explicitly, but that is the logical ending point when you bemoan the idea that the rankings are based on "resumes and the eye test" and complain that the rankings should be based on results on the field rather than those on paper.
These teams are all in different conferences and all play different schedules with minimal common opponents. As it stands right now, four teams are allowed into the playoff, so at some point comparisons have to be made and resumes and eye tests come into play.
If you are arguing for an expanded playoff, then I'm with you. If you are arguing that UCF is one of the four best teams, or somehow deserves to be in the playoff just because they went through their slate of games undefeated, then we are going to disagree.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:38 pm to LSUBoo
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I just think a committee would slide a 12-0 UCF in if the playoffs were expanded to 6 teams.
What gives you this idea when they have them sitting at #12 after their entire body of work was finished?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:41 pm to novowels
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G5 and P5 should really have their own playoffs
Force all conferences to trim to 12 teams
P5 becomes it's own division. Every team plays 8 game conference schedule and 4 game, rotating OOC schedule (so you'll play everyone every decade and some change)
Every conference champ gets an auto-bid to playoff
1 team gets an at-large. 2 top seeds get a bye
League is fixed and CFB is dope as frick.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:45 pm to rondonumbanine
No team from a G5 conference deserves a shot at the national title in a 4 team playoff, ever.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:47 pm to rondonumbanine
G5 (or non-BCS in years past) teams basically need to walk a two-year unbeaten tightrope to have any shot, and probably without any substantial turnover (like the head coach). This is not new.
A Frost-coached UCF team entering 2018 with a 13-game winning streak would probably be top-15, maybe even top-10 out of the gates. We know that won't happen now, but it could've.
A Frost-coached UCF team entering 2018 with a 13-game winning streak would probably be top-15, maybe even top-10 out of the gates. We know that won't happen now, but it could've.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:49 pm to theOG
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Not explicitly, but that is the logical ending point when you bemoan the idea that the rankings are based on "resumes and the eye test" and complain that the rankings should be based on results on the field rather than those on paper.
Don't be stupid dude. You're putting words in my mouth based on a massive stretch of what I said and calling it logical.
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If you are arguing for an expanded playoff, then I'm with you
I am
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you are arguing that UCF is one of the four best teams, or somehow deserves to be in the playoff just because they went through their slate of games undefeated, then we are going to disagree.
I'm not. I'm saying the resume and eye test is a terrible way of determining who should be in. Looking at it on paper and saying team a is better than team b is retarded. If we want to do it that way, why play the season?
And it's okay to disagree, but argue against what I've said, not hyperoblic interpretations of what I've said. I didn't say 128 teams need to play a tournament. I said UCF and teams like them in the past and future deserve to play it out on the field. I've long championed for a 8 team playoff. 5 conference champs and 3 at large. That's about as far as I've ever said it should go.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:50 pm to Rand AlThor
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Force all conferences to trim to 12 teams
P5 becomes it's own division. Every team plays 8 game conference schedule and 4 game, rotating OOC schedule (so you'll play everyone every decade and some change)
Every conference champ gets an auto-bid to playoff
1 team gets an at-large. 2 top seeds get a bye
League is fixed and CFB is dope as frick.
I proposed something similar a couple weeks ago. NFL style scheduling with permanent division opponents and rotating OOC opponents that everyone in your division plays.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:00 pm to TH03
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Looking at it on paper and saying team a is better than team b is retarded. If we want to do it that way, why play the season?
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I've long championed for a 8 team playoff. 5 conference champs and 3 at large.
How are you going to pick the at large teams without comparing resumes and performing an eye test? What if Notre Dame, UCF, Boise State, and BYU are all undefeated?
There will always be some subjectivity in the playoff selections, it doesn't matter if there are four teams or eight teams. I'm all for an expanded playoff and I agree with you that a larger field would allow for this argument to flesh itself out on the field.
My original point in this thread is thread, and the one that you took exception to, is that I personally do not think UCF is one of the best four teams in college football this season.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:10 pm to theOG
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How are you going to pick the at large teams without comparing resumes and performing an eye test? What if Notre Dame, UCF, Boise State, and BYU are all undefeated?
When was the last time anything like this happened?
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My original point in this thread is thread, and the one that you took exception to, is that I personally do not think UCF is one of the best four teams in college football this season.
No, it was because you said it so matter of factly. I specifically said in my reply to that post that resumes and eye test were stupid. No one truly knows if bama or Oklahoma are better than UCF unless they play on the field. Anyone saying otherwise is being intellectually dishonest, but that's how college football has always been and always will be.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:49 pm to Zanzibaw
quote:. Good point- except Memphis is a pretty good team- their only 2 losses were to UCF.
If they are looking for "the 4 best teams" then a 2OT win over Memphis giving up 55 pts is not the way to do it.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:57 pm to otowntiger
That Mike Norvell offense is ON FIRE!!!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
Why is LSU in both brackets?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:28 pm to Rand AlThor
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Force all conferences to trim to 12 teams
P5 becomes it's own division. Every team plays 8 game conference schedule and 4 game, rotating OOC schedule (so you'll play everyone every decade and some change)
Every conference champ gets an auto-bid to playoff
1 team gets an at-large. 2 top seeds get a bye
League is fixed and CFB is dope as frick.
I would change it a bit...
Take the Power 5, put them in their own new division and combine them into 4 big conferences.
They play 10 conference games a year. The first week and either the midway point or the last week are "conference challenge" weekends where you play teams from other conferences for TV ratings, bragging rights, whatever. Those matchups can based on prior year rankings or they can be done as a rotation. We can even choose to keep traditional non conference rivalries going as part of those 2 weekends if we wish.
Forget divisions. The top 2 teams by way of overall record in each conference play each other in a conference title game. Again, we can choose to keep traditional rivalries in place as much as possible and rotate all other conference opponents.
Have your conference title games, then the 4 conference title game winners play each other for the title.
BOOM. 8 Team playoff.
The Group of 5 can do the same thing.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 4:31 pm
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