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Small Market NFL Teams.....
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:08 pm
such as the Saints will be screwd in the new collective bargaining agreement. The NFL provides the best model for competition of any professional sport. It appears to be all but a done deal on eliminating the salary cap. The bigger market teams will gain the advantage just like in baseball. The NFL players are for no salary cap also so I see no way the small market teams can consistantly remain competitive after the CBA. Rookie money will be moved away from the Draft to the Players Union and Owners delight so some good will come out of negotiations. I see the NFL moving toward the NBA model in future drafts with cap limits on Rookies. The owners will also have to give in on revenue sharing or face a strike.
The players union looks to be in the drivers seat IMO.
The players union looks to be in the drivers seat IMO.
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Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:11 pm to STEALTH
Link?
Cause everything I've seen is the owners will never agree to uncapped seasons and, in fact, the NBA owners sent a memo to the NBA players union indicating they want a hard cap, like in the NFL.
Cause everything I've seen is the owners will never agree to uncapped seasons and, in fact, the NBA owners sent a memo to the NBA players union indicating they want a hard cap, like in the NFL.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:29 pm to Message Board User
I just cant imagine that the NFL would knowingly accept this policy and ruin two of the most storied franchises in the NFL (Green Bay, Pittsburgh). If this new policy is set up like MLB or NBA, then Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Jacksonville and New Orleans are in bad shape. I cant see the NFL doing this to the Rooney family.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:37 pm to Message Board User
[link=([img]https://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/02/roger-goodell-nfl-union-must-concede-more-to-get-new-cba-deal-done/1)]LINK[/link]
Read between the lines about the salary cap. Also I've seen at leasr 3 times the last 2 months on the NFL Network current players sounding off on the rookies salaries. The owners have been crying about this for years so its a mutual point of interest. I encourage all to do DD and not take someones word so please link the NBA owners NFL owners site in reguards to rookie salaries? Thanks
Read between the lines about the salary cap. Also I've seen at leasr 3 times the last 2 months on the NFL Network current players sounding off on the rookies salaries. The owners have been crying about this for years so its a mutual point of interest. I encourage all to do DD and not take someones word so please link the NBA owners NFL owners site in reguards to rookie salaries? Thanks
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:43 pm to Buckeye Backer
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I just cant imagine that the NFL would knowingly accept this policy and ruin two of the most storied franchises in the NFL (Green Bay, Pittsburgh). If this new policy is set up like MLB or NBA, then Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Jacksonville and New Orleans are in bad shape. I cant see the NFL doing this to the Rooney family.
MLB did it to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Miliwakee, and every other small market team. People like Jerry Jones will piss on a luxary tax like the big boys in MLB. Teams like Dallas cant win on an even playing field and see a way to tilt it in their favor.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 9:38 am to Message Board User
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Cause everything I've seen is the owners will never agree to uncapped seasons and, in fact, the NBA owners sent a memo to the NBA players union indicating they want a hard cap, like in the NFL.
Quite the opposite, because some owners said that once the cap is gone, they won't vote it back in.
I say they should let each owner keep their respective money from local revenue, split the national revenue evenly, and start the cap at a set number and then increase it 5% or so each season. That way the owners who have make more money get to keep their money, small markets can still compete, and players will still be rich, spoiled bitches.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 9:41 am to STEALTH
quote:
Jerry Jones
and Robert Kraft are the biggest a-hole owners in sports.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:16 am to RandyMarsh
Small Market teams? I wouldnt consider the Saints Small market when you look at the payroll.
Besides right now the owners anre screwing the players and the players have a signed CBA good through 2012 and the owners will violate that agreement, specifically Article IV section 1.
Besides right now the owners anre screwing the players and the players have a signed CBA good through 2012 and the owners will violate that agreement, specifically Article IV section 1.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:27 am to sms151t
The payroll??
The whole point of the salary cap is that every team has the same payroll...unless you don't spend less than the cap like the bungles used to do.
The whole point of the salary cap is that every team has the same payroll...unless you don't spend less than the cap like the bungles used to do.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:33 am to penthouse
Actually, Cleveland is NOT considered a small market team. The Cleveland MSA is considered the 16th largest in the USA. It is considered to be a midsized market. I dont know how Cleveland always gets lumped into this small market category. NE Ohio is VERY populated.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:33 am to penthouse
No you do not have to spend the same ammount, you can pay less but you can not pay over. You have a min. but the Saints are at the upper end of the Cap, the Jags are at lower end.
The OP used Small market Teams, well the "small market" teams in baseball are the ones that dont use their dollars to spend money on payroll
The OP used Small market Teams, well the "small market" teams in baseball are the ones that dont use their dollars to spend money on payroll
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:36 am to sms151t
Dallas, Washington, and Seattle will rule the new NFL it if changes.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:37 am to Message Board User
quote:
Cause everything I've seen is the owners will never agree to uncapped seasons
some owners won't
some owners are pushing for it
the real fight for 2011 is owner vs owner
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:41 am to UnluckyTiger
The problem is there is now a division of owners. In my opinion if this gets forced to arbitration, mediation, or court the NFL may lose the one protection it has enjoyed, Anti-Trust. But I think the UFL forming will help as the owners can say there is a viable competitor and the players can choose what league to be employed in, even though the stated purpose for UFL is for "Future Stars".
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 11:26 am to sms151t
Salary caps do not create competitive balance, revenue sharing does. Salary caps do one thing and one thing only: hold down salaries.
The NFL actually has pretty poor competitive balance as it is the league most susceptible aside from the NBA to dynasties over the past 30 years. And the NFL union is downright powerless. You can't blame them for anything as they are barely relevent. this is a battle between the owners.
The NFL actually has pretty poor competitive balance as it is the league most susceptible aside from the NBA to dynasties over the past 30 years. And the NFL union is downright powerless. You can't blame them for anything as they are barely relevent. this is a battle between the owners.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 11:35 am to Baloo
b man
if the owners are fighting amongst themselves, doesn't that eliminate any anti-trust argument?
it seems like this would show they are not a single entity
if the owners are fighting amongst themselves, doesn't that eliminate any anti-trust argument?
it seems like this would show they are not a single entity
Posted on 2/7/10 at 11:42 am to Baloo
Baloo,
I have stated many times that Gene Upshaw was a puppet and the NFLPA has been decertified, which in someway, (IMO) makes the CBA null. But the owners are the sole cause of the lockout, the players are dealing good faith as they agreed to the CBA and have at all times agreed to honor it, it is the owners that are violating it, specifically Article IV Section 1.
ETA:
I am not a brilliant legal scholar, just going off what I learned in Grad School and my few legal classes during my Master's degree.
I have stated many times that Gene Upshaw was a puppet and the NFLPA has been decertified, which in someway, (IMO) makes the CBA null. But the owners are the sole cause of the lockout, the players are dealing good faith as they agreed to the CBA and have at all times agreed to honor it, it is the owners that are violating it, specifically Article IV Section 1.
ETA:
I am not a brilliant legal scholar, just going off what I learned in Grad School and my few legal classes during my Master's degree.
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:10 pm to STEALTH
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MLB did it to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Miliwakee, and every other small market team.
bullshite. Oakland and Minnesota have been consistently good this decade. Florida, a low revenue team won the WS in 03 (and 97), The Tampa Bay Rays were in the 2008 WS. Meanwhile the big spending Mets haven't done crap.
The Yankee dynasty of the late 90's was largely built on players they developed (Jeter, Williams, Rivera, Pettitte) even this years team has lots of home grown talent.
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Teams like Dallas cant win on an even playing field and see a way to tilt it in their favor.
First of all that is completely wrong, they have won plenty, they won 3 SB in 4 years o this level playing field. 2nd have you noticed Washington has been paying for big name free agent for a while and hasn't done crap. Cap or no cap, teams that draft smart and make smart free agent moves will still win.
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:36 pm to sms151t
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Small Market teams? I wouldnt consider the Saints Small market when you look at the payroll.
The Saints are in the 31st market in the NFL - only Green Bay is in a smaller market.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:37 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Dallas, Washington, New York (both of them) and Pittsburgh will rule the new NFL it if changes.
FIFY.
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