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Should dropped passes be tallied like errors?

Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:42 am
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
3954 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:42 am
Hear me out:

QBs & WR/RB/TE are being paid by their performance translated by stats. A problem I have had for over a decade now is that players aren't really held accountable for dropped passes.

We have the ability to have a score keeper make a ruling in baseball on a hit vs. an error. Why can't we have the same for football? There's just as much time between plays to make a ruling.

I don't think a QB should be punished, statistically, for a WR/RB/TE dropping a catchable ball. The WR/RB/TE should be. Thus, their contracts & performance analysis should reflect it as well, at least publically. I would like to think teams track drops on their own. But I want to see the stats publically.

Additionally, if a QB has to throw the ball away because he was forced out of the pocket or no one was open enough to merit a throw, there should be a stat shown for those as well. This would help in evaluations of the OL.

Think of it like this example:

QB is 12-20 with 185 yards & no INTs.

That's not a bad day at the office. But, how much does your opinion improved of his performance when you see the actual reasons for the 8 incompletions?

Same QB with the added stats:
12-20, for 185 yards, 4 drops, 2 OOB, 0 INTs.

Now he's essentially 16-20 or 12-16 or 16-18, depending on how you read into the drops & throws OOB. Even better day at the office for him, but now we see where his teammates let him down.

Thoughts?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30590 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:44 am to
This feels like a Joe Burrow thread
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
4913 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:44 am to
Sure
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2639 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:45 am to
I totally agree. Most other sports track stuff like this I feel like.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35362 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:49 am to
Stats like Total QBR, as questionable as they might be, include drops in them
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
3954 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:56 am to
I considered that. However, the drops aren't typically shown on the screen for us to see/discuss.
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:57 am to
Problem is, a drop is subjective.

Some websites keep track of drops, though.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 7:59 am
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
3954 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:58 am to
Definitely not inspired by JB9's efforts, but we can definitely start using it to discuss him.


Think back to the last 10 seasons of LSU football & all the dropped passes...then also think about how this could affect Fantasy Football...
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
3954 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:58 am to
But isn't an error subjective?
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:59 am to
Yes. I just think there's more gray area with regard to a drop in football. More variables.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
5345 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:00 am to
I agree I also think there needs to be a difference in interceptions. If a wr/te/hb runs the wrong route or if it's a catchable ball and the wr/te/hb bobbles it and it gets picked off that shouldn't be on the qb.
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
3954 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:03 am to
And I'm with you there.

We are TD. We can change the world. Hell, we practically solved the Mickey Shunick case in 1 week.

Let's define the consideration parameters of ruling a pass as a drop:

-Player was wide open & the ball was thrown into the catchable area of the hands/body
-Ball passed through both hands with contact

Etc.
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
3954 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:03 am to
I completely left this part out as I forgot it as I was typing.


THANK YOU. YES.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75864 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:05 am to
quote:

This feels like a Joe Burrow thread


Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75864 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:06 am to
quote:

Definitely not inspired by JB9's efforts


Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:08 am to
quote:

Let's define the consideration parameters of ruling a pass as a drop:

Will go about as well as trying to define a catch.

I prefer "you know it when you see it."

ProFootballFocus keeps track of all this shite. It's just behind a paywall.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 8:09 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:11 am to
Yes.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:15 am to
QB stats are largely bullshite. Why should a QB get credited for 80 yards and a TD if all he did was throw a screen pass.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:19 am to
quote:

Problem is, a drop is subjective.
For the most part, we can all tell when a receiver just drops the ball.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
3284 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:20 am to
I fully agree with everything you said except...

quote:

There's just as much time between plays to make a ruling.
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