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Should dropped passes be tallied like errors?
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:42 am
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:42 am
Hear me out:
QBs & WR/RB/TE are being paid by their performance translated by stats. A problem I have had for over a decade now is that players aren't really held accountable for dropped passes.
We have the ability to have a score keeper make a ruling in baseball on a hit vs. an error. Why can't we have the same for football? There's just as much time between plays to make a ruling.
I don't think a QB should be punished, statistically, for a WR/RB/TE dropping a catchable ball. The WR/RB/TE should be. Thus, their contracts & performance analysis should reflect it as well, at least publically. I would like to think teams track drops on their own. But I want to see the stats publically.
Additionally, if a QB has to throw the ball away because he was forced out of the pocket or no one was open enough to merit a throw, there should be a stat shown for those as well. This would help in evaluations of the OL.
Think of it like this example:
QB is 12-20 with 185 yards & no INTs.
That's not a bad day at the office. But, how much does your opinion improved of his performance when you see the actual reasons for the 8 incompletions?
Same QB with the added stats:
12-20, for 185 yards, 4 drops, 2 OOB, 0 INTs.
Now he's essentially 16-20 or 12-16 or 16-18, depending on how you read into the drops & throws OOB. Even better day at the office for him, but now we see where his teammates let him down.
Thoughts?
QBs & WR/RB/TE are being paid by their performance translated by stats. A problem I have had for over a decade now is that players aren't really held accountable for dropped passes.
We have the ability to have a score keeper make a ruling in baseball on a hit vs. an error. Why can't we have the same for football? There's just as much time between plays to make a ruling.
I don't think a QB should be punished, statistically, for a WR/RB/TE dropping a catchable ball. The WR/RB/TE should be. Thus, their contracts & performance analysis should reflect it as well, at least publically. I would like to think teams track drops on their own. But I want to see the stats publically.
Additionally, if a QB has to throw the ball away because he was forced out of the pocket or no one was open enough to merit a throw, there should be a stat shown for those as well. This would help in evaluations of the OL.
Think of it like this example:
QB is 12-20 with 185 yards & no INTs.
That's not a bad day at the office. But, how much does your opinion improved of his performance when you see the actual reasons for the 8 incompletions?
Same QB with the added stats:
12-20, for 185 yards, 4 drops, 2 OOB, 0 INTs.
Now he's essentially 16-20 or 12-16 or 16-18, depending on how you read into the drops & throws OOB. Even better day at the office for him, but now we see where his teammates let him down.
Thoughts?
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:44 am to forever lsu30
This feels like a Joe Burrow thread
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:45 am to forever lsu30
I totally agree. Most other sports track stuff like this I feel like.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:49 am to forever lsu30
Stats like Total QBR, as questionable as they might be, include drops in them
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:56 am to usc6158
I considered that. However, the drops aren't typically shown on the screen for us to see/discuss.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:57 am to forever lsu30
Problem is, a drop is subjective.
Some websites keep track of drops, though.
Some websites keep track of drops, though.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 7:59 am
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:58 am to Upperdecker
Definitely not inspired by JB9's efforts, but we can definitely start using it to discuss him.
Think back to the last 10 seasons of LSU football & all the dropped passes...then also think about how this could affect Fantasy Football...
Think back to the last 10 seasons of LSU football & all the dropped passes...then also think about how this could affect Fantasy Football...
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:58 am to boom roasted
But isn't an error subjective?
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:59 am to forever lsu30
Yes. I just think there's more gray area with regard to a drop in football. More variables.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:00 am to forever lsu30
I agree I also think there needs to be a difference in interceptions. If a wr/te/hb runs the wrong route or if it's a catchable ball and the wr/te/hb bobbles it and it gets picked off that shouldn't be on the qb.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:03 am to boom roasted
And I'm with you there.
We are TD. We can change the world. Hell, we practically solved the Mickey Shunick case in 1 week.
Let's define the consideration parameters of ruling a pass as a drop:
-Player was wide open & the ball was thrown into the catchable area of the hands/body
-Ball passed through both hands with contact
Etc.
We are TD. We can change the world. Hell, we practically solved the Mickey Shunick case in 1 week.
Let's define the consideration parameters of ruling a pass as a drop:
-Player was wide open & the ball was thrown into the catchable area of the hands/body
-Ball passed through both hands with contact
Etc.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:03 am to dupergreenie
I completely left this part out as I forgot it as I was typing.
THANK YOU. YES.
THANK YOU. YES.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:05 am to Upperdecker
quote:
This feels like a Joe Burrow thread
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:06 am to forever lsu30
quote:
Definitely not inspired by JB9's efforts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:08 am to forever lsu30
quote:Will go about as well as trying to define a catch.
Let's define the consideration parameters of ruling a pass as a drop:
I prefer "you know it when you see it."
ProFootballFocus keeps track of all this shite. It's just behind a paywall.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 8:09 am
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:15 am to forever lsu30
QB stats are largely bullshite. Why should a QB get credited for 80 yards and a TD if all he did was throw a screen pass.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:19 am to boom roasted
quote:For the most part, we can all tell when a receiver just drops the ball.
Problem is, a drop is subjective.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:20 am to forever lsu30
I fully agree with everything you said except...
quote:
There's just as much time between plays to make a ruling.
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