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re: Should basketball coaches be able to decline free throws?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:54 am to Kracka
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:54 am to Kracka
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Just keep getting fouled, shot clock is reset and its the same shite over and over and over. There is likely no change of possession unless team A stupidly decides to shoot the ball.
Maybe the shot clock doesn't get reset if the free throws are declined. Maybe the free throws can only be declined when there are more than 10 seconds on the shot clock. The rule can be written to keep from creating an advantage.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:54 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:This. I think the NBA currently has four players who get hacked, and none of them are top tier players.
I think it's a bad idea to change the rules because of select players' inability to make an uncontested shot.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:54 am to lsupride87
quote:Unless of course it back fires. Risk/reward aka strategy
giving a team an advantage by fouling
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:55 am to Kracka
quote:In a nutshell, this is why the proposed rule doesn't work.
OK. Basketball 101 here. Team A has the ball, player is dribbling or running off screens and is fouled by team B. Ref stops the game to call said foul. After this happens several times, player from team A is awarded foul shots. He may or may not miss the free shots. Team B may or may not ge the rebound. Team B may or may not score. You just keep giving Team A possession of the ball to rinse and repeat over and over, the advantage goes to team A because there is no incentive to shoot the ball. Just keep getting fouled, shot clock is reset and its the same shite over and over and over. There is likely no change of possession unless team A stupidly decides to shoot the ball.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:55 am to ballscaster
quote:Ah, I gotcha. Fair point. There has to be a way to write the rule change to prevent that type of nonsense. Just spitballing here... 3 fouls within 10 seconds results in 2 shots and possession.
Think about it. You and I are down 8 with a minute to go. Our style of play instantly changes to BALLS TO THE WALL errant defense because the only thing that helps us is a steal, and a foul doesn't hurt us (beyond individual foul trouble) since all it does is stop the clock when the team declines the free throws. It would make the end of the game longer and worse than it already is. If I'm beat on an inbounds pass, all I have to do is grab a jersey, and then we just reset the whole play, and no time has run off the clock.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 10:59 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:56 am to ballscaster
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Triple bonus. After a certain amount of fouls, two shots and the ball.
That's an interesting idea. Better than what I came up with
I was thinking something like, any foul that occurs before crossing half court in the last minute would result in 3 free throws, or maybe any foul beyond the 3 point line get 3 shots.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:57 am to ballscaster
quote:
I think the NBA currently has four players who get hacked, and none of them are top tier players.
Howard, Capela, Drummond, Josh Smith.
I'm probably forgetting a couple, but yeah, it's a select few.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:57 am to LNCHBOX
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Fouling just to get possession is unfair to team A if you want to go down that road.
It isn't if Team A simply makes their free throws and builds their lead. You see it all the time in basketball. There are teams out there who make their shots and build their lead, and all the end of game fouling does nothing to help. There is a small sample of games where the hacking actually leads to the fouling team winning. I'll admit it happens more in the NBA because they are just not calling intentional fouls. They have no problem reviewing clear path fouls, flagrant fouls, but they refuse to call intentional fouls just that. Again, if you are going to call off the ball fouls intentional and award the ball and shots, then you have to do it for all of the late game fouls because they are all intended to happen by the fouling team.
Look I am on your side, I hate the bullshite at the end of games with all the fouling. It makes the end of the game last forever.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:58 am to ballscaster
quote:
You and I are down 8 with a minute to go. Our style of play instantly changes to BALLS TO THE WALL errant defense because the only thing that helps us is a steal, and a foul doesn't hurt us (beyond individual foul trouble) since all it does is stop the clock when the team declines the free throws. It would make the end of the game longer and worse than it already is. If I'm beat on an inbounds pass, all I have to do is grab a jersey, and then we just reset the whole play, and no time has run off the clock.
Hockey pads would become a necessity for the conclusion of games
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:58 am to CubsFanBudMan
quote:
Should basketball coaches be able to decline free throws?
Shaq has already retired.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:58 am to Kracka
quote:There is no rule for intentional fouls in the nba!!!
I'll admit it happens more in the NBA because they are just not calling intentional fouls.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:01 am to Kracka
quote:In the nba, away from the ball fouls under 2 minutes in the 4th are 1 shot and the ball.
I hate the bullshite at the end of games with all the fouling. It makes the end of the game last forever.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:03 am to StrongBackWeakMind
How's this?
Power play. Any time a player is given a foul, he has to go to the scorer's table until the next dead ball. This way, a trailing team can still foul and make their opponent shoot free throws, but that next time up the court will be 4-on-5 until the next dead ball that isn't them fouling again.
Power play. Any time a player is given a foul, he has to go to the scorer's table until the next dead ball. This way, a trailing team can still foul and make their opponent shoot free throws, but that next time up the court will be 4-on-5 until the next dead ball that isn't them fouling again.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:05 am to PearlJam
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The 2 best solutions-learn to shoot free throws or don't play poor free throw shooters. Should we allow guys that don't dribble very well to just run with the ball?
I don't necessarily disagree that players should make their free throws. But I'm watching the game. I'm not playing or coaching it, and as a consumer I don't want to see that crap. It makes the game unwatchable.
No one ever bought a ticket or turned on their TV to see Hack-a-Shaq.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:07 am to PearlJam
quote:
There is no rule for intentional fouls in the nba!!!
Clear path fouls are intentional fouls.
This isn't a problem in college or high school. This is strictly an NBA strategy because of the way their rules are written. So what we need to do is find out exactly what the rules are for the nba, then we can make assumptions on what the rules should be or how they should be currently enforced.
If you are going to change the way these off the ball fouls are called, and possibly give a team the choice whether to accept possession or the free throws, then I want something in return. I want the bullshite with getting the ball at half court after a time out removed. They are pro's, best players on the planet, make them go full court. You should not be able to call a time out after a basket, and automatically get the ball at half court. It's dumb.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:07 am to Goldrush25
quote:I understand that. It's a reasonable position. I still don't think the solution involves changing the rules. Hopefully, if the hacking strategy is successful, over time it will lead to one of the two solutions I proposed.
But I'm watching the game. I'm not playing or coaching it, and as a consumer I don't want to see that crap. It makes the game crappy
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:08 am to Kracka
quote:No, they are called clear path fouls.
Clear path fouls are intentional fouls.
quote:The rule book is available free online.
So what we need to do is find out exactly what the rules are for the nba
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:10 am to ballscaster
quote:Your scenario makes absolutely no sense.
Declining free throws is an interesting idea, but this creates an inevitable problem:
LSU vs Ole Miss, final minute, LSU up by 8. Now, Ole Miss will play an unrealistically aggressive style of defense, desperately trying to steal the ball, knowing that a foul doesn't really hurt them. This will create all types of problems at the ends of games. Injuries and fights would inevitably increase because of the warped brand of last-minute basketball created. Ole Miss in this case ironically would commit more fouls here than they do with today's rules because they would be playing with a complete disregard for fouls.
Declining free throws would make the current situation far worse.
1. This is about the "hack-a-whoever" rules. That deals with fouls off the ball. It has nothing to do with fouling the ball-handler at the end of a game to stop the clock and let them shoot free throws.
This has to do with purposely fouling a terrible free throw shooter in the 2nd quarter with 8 minutes still left on the clock every time the other team gets the ball so that they keep missing free throws and they can't play their offensive game.
2. There is already a rule in place about fouling off the ball away from the play in the last 2 minutes. It's a technical foul, 1 free throw and the ball. So your end of game scenario is moot.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 11:11 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:10 am to Kracka
Giving a coach and extra option deregulated it and adds to the strategy
Posted on 1/27/16 at 11:12 am to Asphodel
You don't get it. Down 8 with a minute left, and I'm lunging for that ball willy nilly. Most likely I'll foul you, but so what? A foul doesn't hurt me here.
See the problem?
See the problem?
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