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re: Should basketball coaches be able to decline free throws?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:30 am to Kracka
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:30 am to Kracka
quote:How does it give an unfair advantage? They had possession prior to the foul.
Possession is absolute and gives an unfair advantage to the team gaining possession of the ball.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:30 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Yeh it makes no sense. We are allowing teams to help themselves by FOULING. To prevent this, the rules of basketball have the "intention foul" which allows you to shoot and retain possession. However, refs are not calling intentional fouls when they are clearly intentional. So really, if the refs just followed the actual rule book it would be fine
I don't see why not. If you're fouled, you shouldn't be forced to take the shot when you think retaining possession is more advantageous.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:32 am to Goldrush25
quote:The 2 best solutions-learn to shoot free throws or don't play poor free throw shooters.
, I would support anything that ends Hack-a-Shaq
Should we allow guys that don't dribble very well to just run with the ball?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:33 am to PearlJam
quote:Or just follow the actual rulebook. Call an intentional foul, which it clearly is
The 2 best solutions-learn to shoot free throws or don't play poor free throw shooters.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:33 am to StrongBackWeakMind
No it shouldn't but the penalty for hack a shaq should be 2 shots and the ball
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:33 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
How does it give an unfair advantage? They had possession prior to the foul.
Free throws aren't guaranteed. That is why we are having this discussion. They aren't guaranteed to make the shots, so the other team has a chance to get the ball with no point loss. If you just keep giving the other team possession, that gives them an unfair advantage over and over and over again. That makes every single foul in the game irrelevant and therefore pointless to call them.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:33 am to lsupride87
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We are allowing teams to help themselves by FOULING.
You realize teams can't foul ad infinitum, correct? Putting your players in foul trouble early in a game by fouling intentionally often can come back to bite you.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:34 am to RonBurgundy
quote:The current rule is that. The refs just dont call it. It really is weird how basketball just morphed into ignoring the intentional foul
No it shouldn't but the penalty for hack a shaq should be 2 shots and the ball
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:34 am to fightingtiger2335
quote:
you have to put it in the basket more than the other team
Are you saying that the team in the lead shouldn't use the full shot clock? After all, that is keeping them from putting the ball in the basket more often. This isn't first team to 100 wins. Strategic use of the clock helps a team reach the goal of "putting it in the basket more than the other team."
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:34 am to Kracka
quote:Exactly. Committing a foul can be used to gain an advantage. Screw that. Give the coach an option: take the foul shot or retain possession.
They aren't guaranteed to make the shots, so the other team has a chance to get the ball with no point loss.
quote:Then don't foul.
If you just keep giving the other team possession, that gives them an unfair advantage over and over and over again.
quote:Explain.
That makes every single foul in the game irrelevant and therefore pointless to call them.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
quote:I don't think it qualifies by the current rules. They are calling it according to the rule book. I think the term "intentional" is throwing you if here. You using a common definition as opposed to the rule book.
Call an intentional foul, which it clearly is
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:35 am to CubsFanBudMan
quote:
Are you saying that the team in the lead shouldn't use the full shot clock? After all, that is keeping them from putting the ball in the basket more often. This isn't first team to 100 wins. Strategic use of the clock helps a team reach the goal of "putting it in the basket more than the other team."
? I dont care how much clock you use. You still have to score more than other team. Why does rate of scoring matter?
People that want this rule are same that sat get rid of off sides in soccer
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:36 am to lsupride87
quote:No it isn't.
The current rule is that.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:36 am to lsupride87
quote:
It really is weird how basketball just morphed into ignoring the intentional foul
Every team that is fouling at the end of the game, whether its on the ball or off the ball is an intentional foul. Why are we just focusing on the hack a player fouls? Every single one of those fouls are on purpose, should they all be two shots and the ball? I am in favor of enforcing existing rules. I wish they would start with intentional fouls and traveling.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:37 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:So you actually are for the team retaining possession then?
by fouling intentionally
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:37 am to Kracka
quote:
Possession is absolute and gives an unfair advantage to the team gaining possession of the ball.
What unfair advantage does that team have following a foul that it didn't have before, and what did the team do wrong to gain that advantage? All it did was turn down the free throws as if they weren't in the bonus yet.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:38 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Exactly. Committing a foul can be used to gain an advantage. Screw that. Give the coach an option: take the foul shot or retain possession.
By that silly logic, football teams shouldn't be allowed to intentionally commit a delay of game penalty to give their punter more room to operate.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:38 am to Kracka
quote:I agree. What happened was they told the refs long ago to not call intentional fouls because it would take away potential comebacks at the end of the game. So the people that like hack-a-shaq/Deandre Jordan are actually the ones that are changing the rules
Every team that is fouling at the end of the game, whether its on the ball or off the ball is an intentional foul. Why are we just focusing on the hack a player fouls? Every single one of those fouls are on purpose, should they all be two shots and the ball? I am in favor of enforcing existing rules.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:38 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Defense can decline the penalty.
By that silly logic, football teams shouldn't be allowed to intentionally commit a delay of game penalty to give their punter more room to operate.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 10:40 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:39 am to lsupride87
The NBA doesn't have an intentional foul rule.
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