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re: Should basketball coaches be able to decline free throws?

Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:39 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:39 am to
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By that silly logic, football teams shouldn't be allowed to intentionally commit a delay of game penalty to give their punter more room to operate.
Ummmmmmm, coaches decline delay of game all the time to prevent this




Epic fail
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:40 am to
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Committing a foul can be used to gain an advantage. Screw that.


This goes against the core values of the game of basketball.

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Then don't foul.

Then Make your Free Throws
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:40 am to
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Possession is absolute and gives an unfair advantage to the team gaining possession of the ball.


I don't even know how to process this. Possessing the ball is unfair to the other team? Please tell me you were trying to say something different.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:40 am to
I stand corrected.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:41 am to
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So you actually are for the team retaining possession then?



I'm not for either team.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:41 am to
My sincere belief is that the rules allow for teams to sufficiently utilize free throws to punish teams sufficiently for fouling and that it is incumbent on players and teams to utilize this valuable tool.

But...we really still in that same spot. Players aren't as good at free throws as they "should" be, so it makes sense to reevaluate he rules in these situations.

Declining free throws is an interesting idea, but this creates an inevitable problem:

LSU vs Ole Miss, final minute, LSU up by 8. Now, Ole Miss will play an unrealistically aggressive style of defense, desperately trying to steal the ball, knowing that a foul doesn't really hurt them. This will create all types of problems at the ends of games. Injuries and fights would inevitably increase because of the warped brand of last-minute basketball created. Ole Miss in this case ironically would commit more fouls here than they do with today's rules because they would be playing with a complete disregard for fouls.

Declining free throws would make the current situation far worse.

Why not a triple bonus? 13th foul and every one after gives you two shots and the ball.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:41 am to
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This goes against the core values of the game of basketball.

What core values?
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Then Make your Free Throws

That side of the argument has a fair point. However, I'm of the position that the defense shouldn't be allowed to commit a foul in order to put the offense in a less advantageous position.

Give them the option.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:43 am to
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That makes every single foul in the game irrelevant and therefore pointless to call them.
Explain.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:43 am to
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I don't see why not. If you're fouled, you shouldn't be forced to take the shot when you think retaining possession is more advantageous
Because you'll be fouled again a few tenths of a second later. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.

You'd see a team intentionally foul all its players out just out of spite in a hot game. This idea just isn't realistic.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:43 am to
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I stand corrected.

How about that silly logic?
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:43 am to
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the defense shouldn't be allowed to commit a foul in order to put the offense in a less advantageous position.
It's a risk reward trade off. I don't agree with changing the rules to accommodate a couple of guys who can't competently shoot an uncontested shot from 15 feet.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:44 am to
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? I dont care how much clock you use. You still have to score more than other team. Why does rate of scoring matter?


The foul prevents a team from using as much clock as they would like. Sometimes using the full shot clock and not scoring is better than making 2 free throws with no time coming off the clock.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:44 am to
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, the game isn't about fouling either..
That's why when you foul, you're punished by having to stand aside while your opponent gets free shots.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:45 am to
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Because you'll be fouled again a few tenths of a second later. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.

Why would they keep fouling?
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This idea just isn't realistic.
Why isn't it realistic? I don't understand.
Posted by JScoop8
Member since Oct 2014
1035 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:45 am to
I have more of an issue when a team is up 3 and they foul the other team so they can only have a chance at 2 points. That scenario seems more unfair to me. Denying the other team a chance to attempt a 3 to tie by fouling, but I don't know how you could fix it either.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:46 am to
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Players aren't as good at free throws as they "should" be, so it makes sense to reevaluate he rules in these situations.


I think it's a bad idea to change the rules because of select players' inability to make an uncontested shot.

Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40844 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:46 am to
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I don't even know how to process this. Possessing the ball is unfair to the other team?


OK. Basketball 101 here. Team A has the ball, player is dribbling or running off screens and is fouled by team B. Ref stops the game to call said foul. After this happens several times, player from team A is awarded foul shots. He may or may not miss the free shots. Team B may or may not ge the rebound. Team B may or may not score. You just keep giving Team A possession of the ball to rinse and repeat over and over, the advantage goes to team A because there is no incentive to shoot the ball. Just keep getting fouled, shot clock is reset and its the same shite over and over and over. There is likely no change of possession unless team A stupidly decides to shoot the ball.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:47 am to
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How about that silly logic?


Come again?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95882 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:48 am to
Would people like this in football:

LSU up 4 with 45 seconds left other team has no timeouts

Other team fouls us. Forces LSU to kick a field goal

We make the field goal and are up 7. But now the other team has the ball and a chance to tie



That is the exact same scenario. So stupid
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:48 am to
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Come again?
Really?
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