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re: Serious question for the serious soccer fans
Posted on 6/17/10 at 11:38 am to NaturalBeam
Posted on 6/17/10 at 11:38 am to NaturalBeam
You're talking about fan interest.
Are you telling me that fans are interested in field goals? Funny, because a lot of fans act as if kickers aren't "real players".
BTW, I included field goals and counted them as half a score, since they are worth half the points of a touchdown.
Face it. Your "number of scores per game" argument is an epic, colossal failure.
Try again.
Are you telling me that fans are interested in field goals? Funny, because a lot of fans act as if kickers aren't "real players".
BTW, I included field goals and counted them as half a score, since they are worth half the points of a touchdown.
Face it. Your "number of scores per game" argument is an epic, colossal failure.
Try again.
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Posted on 6/17/10 at 11:44 am to Sophandros
You're still missing the point. I don't really care whether you think increased scoring will help soccer's popularity in the US. (I think it will; you obviously don't).
The premise of the OP - and try to follow along here - is that if it were a given that increased scoring would absolutely increase US interest in the sport, would you be in favor of rule changes that increase scoring?
It really wasn't that difficult.
The premise of the OP - and try to follow along here - is that if it were a given that increased scoring would absolutely increase US interest in the sport, would you be in favor of rule changes that increase scoring?
It really wasn't that difficult.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 11:52 am to NaturalBeam
Americans are idiots if they don't consider games like Spain-Swiss and Nigeria-Greece entertaining. I could care less what those people would need for them to start liking the sport.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 11:53 am to NaturalBeam
quote:
The premise of the OP - and try to follow along here - is that if it were a given that increased scoring would absolutely increase US interest in the sport, would you be in favor of rule changes that increase scoring?
No.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 11:59 am to TN Bhoy
Thanks for the answer. Just curious 
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:09 pm to NaturalBeam
quote:
The premise of the OP - and try to follow along here - is that if it were a given that increased scoring would absolutely increase US interest in the sport, would you be in favor of rule changes that increase scoring?
Your premise is a failure, and I proved that to you.
You seem to think that "lack of scoring" is why soccer isn't as popular as football, baseball, or basketball in America, while that's clearly not the case.
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:10 pm to NaturalBeam
quote:
The premise of the OP - and try to follow along here - is that if it were a given that increased scoring would absolutely increase US interest in the sport, would you be in favor of rule changes that increase scoring?
And to answer your tragically flawed question, no.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:19 pm to Sophandros
quote:
Your premise is a failure, and I proved that to you.
You seem to think that "lack of scoring" is why soccer isn't as popular as football, baseball, or basketball in America, while that's clearly not the case.
No, the premise is just that. A premise. While you may not agree with it, there is no failure in anything other than your ability to stay on point.
And lack of scoring is absolute one of the reasons that soccer isn't popular, whether you admit it or not.
Soccer snobs like yourself are probably another reason. Feeling a little defensive, Nancy?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:27 pm to NaturalBeam
Soccer would be terrible if there was that much scoring believe it or not, and I don't care if it's popular in the US or not so no.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:33 pm to NaturalBeam
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Of course, I'm one person, and anecdotal evidence, but I would probably watch more soccer if there were more scoring. I suspect I'm not alone. I'm not telling you to change your game, I'm just telling you it will never gain popularity in this country w/o change.
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I said in another thread, arena football sized fields and a shot clock.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:37 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
yeah definitely smaller fields, and I like my idea of an automatic penalty shot from the spot of every single foul
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:37 pm to thenry712
quote:
MLS already outdraws the NBA and NHL in attendance.
A lot of reasons for that. It's still not close to either the NBA or NHL, and I say that as a person who doesn't really like the NBA, and is a follower of MLS.
As for the OP, no, not at all.
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:40 pm to NaturalBeam
quote:
yeah definitely smaller fields, and I like my idea of an automatic penalty shot from the spot of every single foul
feel free to watch our major indoor soccer league, or beach soccer, or futsal...
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:40 pm to NaturalBeam
quote:
yeah definitely smaller fields, and I like my idea of an automatic penalty shot from the spot of every single foul
We should start the XFL of soccer.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:43 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
haha, unlike the actual XFL, I'll bet we could overtake the market for the sport we're mimicking in very little time
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:43 pm to NOSA
I understand and appreciate the original poster's question.
I do not think changing the rules to increase the scoring would have much effect on the soccer's popularity in the US. Many people are resistant to soccer because they have not played it much and do not really appreciate the strategy and skill that occupies the vast majority of the time in a game. That would still be the case if they changed the rules to add a goal or two more per game.
However, I do think that soccer will increase in popularity in the US because it is a really fun game to play, both in real life and in video games. The more you play it, the more you appreciate it and enjoy watching it.
Given the fact that more young Americans are playing the game in some capacity you will see the popularity of the game rise.
I think at least...
I do not think changing the rules to increase the scoring would have much effect on the soccer's popularity in the US. Many people are resistant to soccer because they have not played it much and do not really appreciate the strategy and skill that occupies the vast majority of the time in a game. That would still be the case if they changed the rules to add a goal or two more per game.
However, I do think that soccer will increase in popularity in the US because it is a really fun game to play, both in real life and in video games. The more you play it, the more you appreciate it and enjoy watching it.
Given the fact that more young Americans are playing the game in some capacity you will see the popularity of the game rise.
I think at least...
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:43 pm to NaturalBeam
quote:then youre bring soccer down to basketball's level...
yeah definitely smaller fields, and I like my idea of an automatic penalty shot from the spot of every single foul
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:53 pm to Sophandros
quote:
Because you're talking about fan excitement and scoring. I take it that you're one of those people who's really excited about field goals.
I am not a soccer hater but when comparing to football, I really like how soccer lovers discount FGs to try and prop up their argument. It takes work to get in FG range. You have to get first downs and you need to make plays. Often, games are won and lost on critical FGs. Longer field goals especially tend to be exciting. Not to forget, the actual decision making that goes into deciding on a FG vs going for it. FGs matter in this context.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:02 pm to thenry712
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It already has gained popularity. Look at the ratings for USA vs. England compared to the first four NBA Finals games. Attendance in MLS is rising. I'm tired of rehashing this argument.
Yeah, but that is the World Cup. I'm sure the MLS doesn't come close to comparing to the NBA finals. I bet the USA-England game was around even to the NBA Finals too.
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:11 pm to siliconvalleytiger
quote:
I am not a soccer hater but when comparing to football, I really like how soccer lovers discount FGs to try and prop up their argument.
Field goals in football are the most lack luster scoring play in football, and goals are the most exciting scoring play in soccer. They are the most similar of the two sports. I don't see soccer ever overtaking football in fan interest.
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