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re: SEC and ACC expansion
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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we just signed a 15 year, TWO BILLION DOLLAR deal with ESPN
exactly. espn does not need the SEC, if the SEC tries to strong arm them they can just say to frick off.
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:04 am to Pilot Tiger
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To increase basketball revenue? UNC and Duke along with Kentucky would make the SEC a powerhouse
...but you'll have to give up a big chunk of the football revenue to those schools. Is it worth it?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:05 am to NIH
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espn does not need the SEC,
especially with the pac16 having games ready for the central, moutain, AND pacific time slots
*ETA: in houston, dallas, san antonio, phoenix, denver, los angeles, seattle, oakland, san jose, etc etc
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
espn deal is 2.25 billion over 15 years I think, and cbs deal is around 800 million over 15 years
those are huge numbers and people in SEC country smiled and considered the financial issue settled. But apparently it was not - the Big Ten has realized if they control their own cable network and broadcast the rest of their games they could generate a lot more revenue
Thus, while no one in SEC country was apparently paying attention, the Big 10 presently doles out 22 million/school/year the SEC doles out around 19 million/school/year - even tho the SEC's ESPN deal is second to no one
those are huge numbers and people in SEC country smiled and considered the financial issue settled. But apparently it was not - the Big Ten has realized if they control their own cable network and broadcast the rest of their games they could generate a lot more revenue
Thus, while no one in SEC country was apparently paying attention, the Big 10 presently doles out 22 million/school/year the SEC doles out around 19 million/school/year - even tho the SEC's ESPN deal is second to no one
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:08 am to molsusports
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the Big Ten has realized if they control their own cable network and broadcast the rest of their games they could generate a lot more revenue
define "a lot more"
they get $15-20M from their tv deals (they lie about the big10's profits, it was like $6M 2 years ago)
the SEC gets 17-18 i think
and tv deals are 1/3 (or less) of the total revenue of a football program. revenue at the gate and in the stands + booster donations dominate the total revenue of a CFB program
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the Big 10 presently doles out 22 million/school/year
there is 1 report that the big10 may give as high as 22M. remember the big10 = big media, who suck the chrome off the dick fo the big10
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
if SEC wants to increase revenue... SELL BEER IN THE STADIUM!!! 
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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booster donations dominate the total revenue of a CFB program
this hurts considering the north/upper midwest has taken it on the chin during this recession compared to the south.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
If the Pac-10 becomes the Pac-16 wouldn't that put them up there with the SEC and Big-10 as far as TV revenue? LINK
Orlando Sentinel guesstimates the Pac-10 at around $20 million a school.
If that happens SEC deal, while still a good one, is not the be all end all of the CFB landscape and the playing field is lot more level than most would think
Orlando Sentinel guesstimates the Pac-10 at around $20 million a school.
If that happens SEC deal, while still a good one, is not the be all end all of the CFB landscape and the playing field is lot more level than most would think
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
and there isn't another ESPN out there to give a huge contract out to a conference (assuming no meddling)
and there is only 1 other viable threat in terms of a cable channel (the pac16)
so even if the big10 gets a couple more mil/year from their cable network, and the pac16 may be able to as well, it's not going to shake up the infrastructure
and there is only 1 other viable threat in terms of a cable channel (the pac16)
so even if the big10 gets a couple more mil/year from their cable network, and the pac16 may be able to as well, it's not going to shake up the infrastructure
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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somebody tell me what the SEC gains by adding 2 more teams that aren't UNC and Duke
Personally, I think Miami would be a huge add to the SEC. Huge market down here, and when Miami is winning they are very popular nationwide. GT would add the Atlanta market no? DUKE and UNC will never leave the ACC IMO. Having Duke, UNC, and Kentucky in the same conference is almost counter productive for basketball anyway.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think the exact numbers matter. I think when you add up the CBS deals, ESPN deals, and whatever pissant amount JP sports or whatever generates I think the SEC number is just short of 19 million/school/year... and when you add up all the cable, network, and Big 10 network revenue I think the Big 10 schools come to 22 million/school/year
But the precise number doesn't matter.
The point is generating more money is an obvious competitive advantage for teh future. And while the Big 10 has been developing a Big 10 network to control and maximize profits the SEC has apparently fallen way behind (completely dropped teh ball it looks like) in this respect
But the precise number doesn't matter.
The point is generating more money is an obvious competitive advantage for teh future. And while the Big 10 has been developing a Big 10 network to control and maximize profits the SEC has apparently fallen way behind (completely dropped teh ball it looks like) in this respect
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:12 am to molsusports
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those are huge numbers and people in SEC country smiled and considered the financial issue settled. But apparently it was not - the Big Ten has realized if they control their own cable network and broadcast the rest of their games they could generate a lot more revenue
Exactly....
Big 10 payout to members won't be affected like the SEC's because they'll add cable subscribers from the new markets. The Pac10 is looking to model theirs after the Big10 and will include 7 of the top 20 TV markets.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Texas and Oklahoma?
somebody tell me what the SEC gains by adding 2 more teams that aren't UNC and Duke
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:14 am to tigerguy121
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If the Pac-10 becomes the Pac-16 wouldn't that put them up there with the SEC and Big-10 as far as TV revenue?
only if they have a successful cable package that is forced on the cable systems of everyone west of the MS river
the west typically doesn't give a flying frick about CFB. there is only 1 pac10 team in the top 20 revenue producing colleges (USC). there are only 2 pac10 teams with any sort of real booster support (USC and UO, who has like 1 booster who is rich as shite)
the big10 supports their programs
the SEC supports their programs
the big12 is texas and everyone else
the pac10...doesn't support shite
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:19 am to arrakis
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The Pac10 is looking to model theirs after the Big10 and will include 7 of the top 20 TV markets.
but the only way they will really be successful is to stash this channel on sports tiers (or worse, secondary sports tiers). there isn't a demand for this on expanded basic out in the west
there is not a demand for CFB in the pacific NW
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:20 am to Rockerbraves
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Texas and Oklahoma?
we're not getting UT or OU
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:25 am to Palm Beach Tiger
miami is a private university with 15k students in a bandwagon city. people assume it's a huge state school. they're not going to capture one of the biggest media markets in the u.s with an already very transplanted population unless they dominate like in the past.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:28 am to NIH
when you go back and look Miami does obscenely well on cable - even over the last few years when they have been fairly sucky
And for obvious reasons, winning 5 NCs over teh last 3 decades has given them a huge national Q rating compared to most programs
And for obvious reasons, winning 5 NCs over teh last 3 decades has given them a huge national Q rating compared to most programs
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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only if they have a successful cable package that is forced on the cable systems of everyone west of the MS river
The Pac16 TV markets contain 15% of the households in the nation. By shear numbers they will generate massive revenue.
ETA: That is just the Top 30 DMA's. Add in the smaller markets and it's even greater.
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/8/10 at 10:31 am to NIH
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miami is a private university with 15k students in a bandwagon city. people assume it's a huge state school. they're not going to capture one of the biggest media markets in the u.s with an already very transplanted population unless they dominate like in the past.
I live in South Florida. Most South of Gainsville support the canes when they are winning. They also have a pretty nice nationwide following. They just don't put butts in seats at there actual stadium like SEC teams do really. They have a ton of people that watch them on T.V. though.
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