re: Roger “tGOAT” Federer wins his 20th Grand Slam title

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I have no doubt his resurgence is PED related.

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i mean he's slipped in a few GS wins lately but he was always making semis and finals. it's not like he completely fell off and returned

Fed's issues were pretty much mental. back in the Nadal-Fed heyday, you could see in matches when Nadal broke him

Fed has also changed his game up over the years and was never over-reliant on pure physicality

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Good for him but this GOAT phrase is getting out of hand. GOAT this, GOAT that. People so obsessed with GOAT. I mean how do we know if someone doesn’t win 25 grand slam title 500 years from now?

Henry Ford maybe GOAT during his time, but I rather drive a Toyota than a Ford any day.

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He’s a nice guy so he gets a pass from the media. If he was a dickhead there would be constant questions about the legitimacy of a guy winning majors at 36.

I remember when Sampras won Wimbledon at 31 and people were saying “holy shite how can he still do it at his age?”

Fed turns 37 in August.

I would not be surprised in the slightest if any tennis player tested positive for PEDs, even Federer. That said, like SFP pointed out, he has been in the mix all along. These titles last year and this year are due to Djokovic falling off, racquet change, strategy adjustments against Rafa, and serving like a beast.

Winners of the last 5 Grand Slams:

2018 Australian Open...Roger Federer
2017 U.S. Open............Rafael Nadal
2017 Wimbledon...........Roger Federer
2017 French Open........Rafael Nadal
2017 Australian Open....Roger Federer


The old men are still getting it done

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Fed turns 37 in August.

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Fed is definitely one of those guys that I think is old as hell...then I realize he's 8 months younger than me.

Feds serve is incredibly difficult to read. His toss is the same for wide and down the “T” serves He has excellent placement which I think is more important that overall speed. Look what he has done to roddick and others over the years. Also he ranks second in all time aces. He game is just so fluid and appears effortless. You can find player interviews where they say he doesn’t everything perfectly and the speed his game is very quick. I think his lack of loud grunting tricks people into thinking he isn’t an aggressive player.

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Fed's issues were pretty much mental. back in the Nadal-Fed heyday, you could see in matches when Nadal broke him

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Fed's issues were 0% mental. That guy was playing in the 18 and unders the last time he doubted himself on a tennis court.

It's definitely physical.

I really don't want to open up the whole PEDs can of worms, because there's just nowhere to go with the discussion because we don't really know. But if you're somebody who has speculated about Djoker or Rafa in the past, and you aren't speculating about Fed...its' just because you really like him.

Because the 2011-2015 Roger Federer was normal. There's no shortage of historical context for a guy getting into his 30s and not winning anymore.

Thre's zero precedent of whcih i'm aware for a guy taking six months off nd then coming back at entering into a second prime at 36. If there is a better analog than Barry Bonds, then offer it up.

But i don't know, and either way he's great at tennis. Just saying it isn't unreasonable to think that there could be some chemistry involved.

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Good for him but this GOAT phrase is getting out of hand. GOAT this, GOAT that. People so obsessed with GOAT.

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Been saying this for years.

Only Millenials use it and only Millenials born from the mid-90's. Basically adults under 25.

The problem with the phrase...people have taken an old drunken bar argument on a Friday night and turned it into something that means anything? Nothing.

Who cares? You can't define it, your opponent in argument can't define it...nobody can define it...nobody can qualify it and nobody can quantify it.

It's like saying, hey man, what's the best star in the sky? What's the best river in the US ever? What's the best Mountain to ever climb ever? What's the best Ice Cream like ever? Best ever Ice Cream?

What's the best couch ever (or TV) that you own and will soon be obsolete in 25 years...along with everything else you own.

You think people are going to have this stupid declaration in 25 years?

Borg was GOAT, then MAC...hell within his lifetime Fed had a major challenger to GOAT in Nadal.

You think GOAT is going to mean anything in 25 years for him? He'll be old news. Just like Connors, Mac and Borg.

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Then Tennis died in the late 90's - everyone quit and Fed took over a talentless tour.

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Yea, Rafa, Murray, djoka and the rest are certainly talentless.