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re: Richard Sherman says NFL Hall of Fame is watered down, become like a participation trophy
Posted on 2/16/22 at 3:01 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 2/16/22 at 3:01 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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The Lions have been trash since the 50s. They literally were 0-16 before they drafted Stafford. No one would have succeeded in that situation. The fact that he was 74-90-1 with a bottom 3 franchise is incredible.
Well taking all of this into account, you must think Joe Burrow is one of the best to ever do it, right?
Bengals were 2-14 pre burrow.
Bengals had a worse playoff record than the Lions before this season.
The Lions had actually won a playoff game more recently than the Bengals too.
Very funny when one of a trolls various stupid arguments come back to backfire, and he disproves an ignorant narrative that he, himself, created.
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 3:14 pm to red sox fan 13
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Gotta disagree here, given recent selections and their reasoning
Agreed.
Harold Baines is in the HOF.
Barry Bonds is not.
MLB is the worst of all of them.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 4:09 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Stafford played without Megatron in (at least) 72 of his 165 games as a Lion.
ok? And he did jack shite with him in the 93 games he did have him
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Wilson was a game manager his first 5-6 years in the league.
His first 5 year averages
3640 yards, 25-26 TDs, 9 INT, 5.6 TD%, 2 INT%, 8.0 YPA. So the "game manager" Russell Wilson still had better numbers than the "HOF" Matt Stafford.
The excuses for Stafford never end for some.
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The Lions have been trash since the 50s
Have they? They went to the playoffs 6 times in the 90s
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They literally were 0-16 before they drafted Stafford.
Stafford is the first #1 pick to go to a bad team and franchise in the history of the NFL
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No one would have succeeded in that situation
bullshite
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The fact that he was 74-90-1 with a bottom 3 franchise is incredible.
I'd love you to apply the same logic to Joe Burrow btw but there's no chance you ever will.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 5:41 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Well taking all of this into account, you must think Joe Burrow is one of the best to ever do it,
Lol no
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Bengals were 2-14 pre burrow.
Two years ago lol. They were still trash in 2020. The Bengals made the playoffs 5 times in the 10 years before they drafted burrow. The Lions made the playoffs one time in the 10 years before they drafted Stafford.
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ery funny when one of a trolls various stupid arguments come back to backfire, and he disproves an ignorant narrative that he, himself, created.
You remind me of Burrow from Sunday: a broken useless mess.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:48 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:now do the same thing with playoff wins.
The Bengals made the playoffs 5 times in the 10 years before they drafted burrow. The Lions made the playoffs one time in the 10 years before they drafted Stafford.
Post up the numbers.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 7:38 am to lsufball19
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ok? And he did jack shite with him in the 93 games he did have him
His first full season as a starter he came like the third QB to ever throw for 5k yards in a season but sure that’s nothing.
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They literally were 0-16 before they drafted Stafford.
Stafford is the first #1 pick to go to a bad team and franchise in the history of the NFL
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Please inform me of all the teams to go 0-16 before the Lions did it in 2008.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:17 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Please inform me of all the teams to go 0-16 before the Lions did it in 2008.
Ah, so you think there's a significant difference in going 0-16 compared to 1-15 or 2-14? But since you asked....the Browns went 0-16 in 2017, 1-15 in 2016, and 3-13 in 2015. They drafted Baker Mayfield #1 overall. They went 7-8 his first season, then 6-10, then 11-5, then 8-9. The Lions went 3-13, 7-9, and 0-16 the three years prior to Stafford's arrival. Over the next 4 seasons, he went 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12.
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His first full season as a starter he came like the third QB to ever throw for 5k yards in a season but sure that’s nothing.
What did he do over the next 4 seasons? That's right, he followed up that year by throwing 20 TD to 17 INTs, 29 TDs to 19 INTs, and 22 TDs to 12 INTs while completing less than 60% of his passes. And that was while having 2 pro bowl receivers (Johnson, Tate), a pro bowl tackle (TJ Lang), a pro bowl kicker, and three pro bowlers on the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:03 am to lsufball19
quote:You keep bringing facts & numbers about Stafford, but his fans argument essentially seems to be " the Lions sucked ". I thought I was being generous by comparing him to Palmer & Bledsoe.
What did he do over the next 4 seasons? That's right, he followed up that year by throwing 20 TD to 17 INTs, 29 TDs to 19 INTs, and 22 TDs to 12 INTs while completing less than 60% of his passes. And that was while having 2 pro bowl receivers (Johnson, Tate), a pro bowl tackle (TJ Lang), a pro bowl kicker, and three pro bowlers on the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:59 am to HangmanPage1
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MLB does it out of pettiness. The writers are essentially the nerds who were picked on and only vote for who was nice to them. At least 3 top ten players of all time are not in the Hall. MLB does not do it right.
Seems like the consensus is..everything woke turns to shite.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:54 pm to Bench McElroy
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Richard Sherman says NFL Hall of Fame is watered down, become like a participation trophy
Prediction: When RS isn't a first ballot hall of famer, he'll add "racist" to that description list as well.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 1:28 pm to shel311
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now do the same thing with playoff wins.
Post up the numbers.
The Detroit Lions have one playoff win in the Super Bowl era. That was all the way back in 1991 against the Dallas Cowboys.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:32 pm to QJenk
quote:Stafford had some big numbers on a shitty team, but couldn't win. 1st overall pick. Finally won when he got to a good franchise with the rest of the pieces in place. Still had some crappy plays (his INT on the final play of the regular season, when a win would have affected seeding, is an example).
This is why the Matthew Stafford HOF talk is crazy to me. Good job to him on winning a SB. But he's never been a top 3, hell, even top 5 qb.
He's Jameis, with more tenure in the league. And I'd say that had Jameis stayed healthy and the Saints add one good WR late in the season (OBJ? He'd have instantly become the Saints #1, instead of the Rams second option), Jameis leads the Saints to the Super Bowl instead.
And no, I don't think Jameis would be a HoF qb due to that.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 2:00 am to Scoob
Its not about Stafford. NFL lets in a shite ton of guys but MLB has been the biggest criteria turncoat since the Veterans Committee and old peers just letting in peers...MLB has voted in all these bygone era guys who never sniffed the ballot during their days. The MLB Veterans Committee is so stupid, they voted in a guy instead of his brother by mistake.
Terrell Davis should not be in the HOF. Andre Reed..Bob Griese...Aikman...Curtis Martin who ushered in the era of just voting on longevity and stats despite never being considered a top 3 back in the league during his long career...and the poster boy...Namath.
Terrell Davis should not be in the HOF. Andre Reed..Bob Griese...Aikman...Curtis Martin who ushered in the era of just voting on longevity and stats despite never being considered a top 3 back in the league during his long career...and the poster boy...Namath.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 2:03 am
Posted on 2/18/22 at 7:40 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The NFL is just horrible at selecting
Somehow Johnny Robinson had to wait 50 years to get in and he was 8 times all pro
Also, the fact Patrick Willis keeps not getting selected is absurd. He has the second most 1st team all pros in linebacker history I beleive
Somehow Johnny Robinson had to wait 50 years to get in and he was 8 times all pro
Also, the fact Patrick Willis keeps not getting selected is absurd. He has the second most 1st team all pros in linebacker history I beleive
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 7:59 am
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