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re: Rewatched UFC1 on ESPN+

Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:51 am to
Posted by Forever
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:51 am to
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This. The gi prevented opponents' ability to hold him. He knew it and took advantage of it. Just wearing tights, he's still good but not nearly the same.

That isn’t what a gi is for the gi makes it 100x easier to hold on to someone. Royce wore it to create friction between himself and a sweaty opponent and increase his control. Either way, the gi wasn’t the deciding factor when he fought Matt Hughes, there was just a massive skill difference between Royce and Matt. Grappling has come a lot arse way since 1993, most 2023 hobbyist brown belts at your local BJJ gym would beat 1993 Royce
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Ufc today might as well be child's play.


Damn that’s dumb as hell
Posted by mule74
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Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:05 pm to
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I was a much bigger MMA fan during the late 90s, both Pride and the UFC.


Do you think some of that has to maybe do with your age?
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Either way, the gi wasn’t the deciding factor when he fought Matt Hughes


This was in 2005. UFC 60 I want to say.

From this fight (2005) up to 2009 where Machida vs Evans (UFC 98) were the best overall fights in my opinion.

I still watch UFC but I feel fighters like BJ Penn, Randy Couture and Georges St-Pierre were absolutely must watch television.

I enjoyed the Anderson Silva domination era but I feel like the overall sport at that moment was lacking quality fighters.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:24 pm to
Some of those early events had painfully boring fights too. Lived in Denver and had a buddy into kickboxing who took me to the Ultimate Ultimate and that was horrible.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6709 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:24 pm to
Is this the one with Jim Brown wearing his stupid hat and having no idea what he's talking about?
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:30 pm to
Ton of big draws in that era. Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson Silva, GSP, BJ Penn, Couture, Chuck, Rampage, Dan Henderson, Sakuraba in Japan, almost all of the top Chute Boxe guys, etc, etc.
Posted by LSUMJ
BR
Member since Sep 2004
20635 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 3:31 pm to
Espn had a good story couple months ago on the boxer in ufc1 who tapped out, was so overconfident he wore one boxing glove to it
He was ashamed for years
LINK
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 6:58 pm to
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That isn’t what a gi is for the gi makes it 100x easier to hold on to someone.


Thanks for correcting that bit of misinformation. Royce wanted opponents to have his gi to grab on to.

As revoutionary as early UFC was, it was a total geekshow, and the superfights were horrible. No time limits and fighters (Dan Severn) who couldn't finish people. It singlehandledly destroyed traditional martial arts clubs.

UFC has come so far in such a short amount of time. Fighters now are among the most elitely conditioned atheletes of all time.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 7:00 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34879 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:09 pm to
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I still watch UFC but I feel fighters like BJ Penn, Randy Couture and Georges St-Pierre were absolutely must watch television.

I enjoyed the Anderson Silva domination era but I feel like the overall sport at that moment was lacking quality fighters


Maybe it's just because of my age, but I 100% look at that as the golden age of MMA.

BJ Penn coming out with the belt they stripped from him

Tito and Chuck

Chuck and Randy

Rampage Jackson, Mirko Crocop, Fedor, and the Nogs over in Pride

That welterweight division with GSP, Hughs, Penn when he felt like it, Serra.

Silva's dominance

Faber down in the WEC
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
19715 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:35 pm to
Went to shite with Lesnar, Kimbo, and bitch fights
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
64759 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:44 pm to
The streets (and Rampage Jackson's left knee) will always remember.

This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 7:45 pm
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70793 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:08 pm to
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77839 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:58 pm to
I felt like it was the golden age as well
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:03 pm to
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That isn’t what a gi is for the gi makes it 100x easier to hold on to someone.



People who say the opposite have obviously never done BJJ before.

The GI can be a big liability for someone. There are so many places an opponent can grab and hold on. Not to mention there are so many chokes and submissions made for the gi.

I think it’s part of why no gi has become so popular. It’s much harder to grab a sweaty dude in a rash guard.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 9:04 pm
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30068 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:02 pm to
If you guys want to see the worst (or best if you are a sick mofo) ending to a UFC fight………..look up Keith Hackney in UFC 4 vs Joe Son. I feel like Apollo Creeds Trainer Begging Rocky to throw in the towel when I see that one.
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
20975 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:11 pm to
Posted by jatilen
Member since May 2020
13608 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:11 pm to
It was nuts in the early days

Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77839 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 8:31 am to
Frankie Edgar was also fun to watch in this era
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