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re: Reggie Miller said he would tell MJ to F himself if he asked him to join the Bulls
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:46 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:46 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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They made the eastern conference finals the year Jordan sat out.
No, they lost to the Knicks in the second round.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:51 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:Thanks for bringing him up. Lillard is awesome and does everything the "right" was in trying to win a title for his team and town, and nobody outside of hardcore basketball fans give a frick about him or consider him in the great players conversation
Lillard
We created this animal of not caring unless you win rings, we need to lie in the bed we created
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:31 pm to CP3LSU25
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Yeah only in the hall of fame and took Indiana and made them title contenders almost every year
Look I don't deny he was the alpha of that team and their clutch gunner bc doing that would be disingenuous but Donnie Walsh surrounded him with a great supporting cast of Person, Smits, Schrempf, Davis Brothers, Mark Jackson, Chris Mullin, Jalen Rose and great head coaches in Larry Brown and Larry Bird to compensate for his deficiencies as far as defense and overall offensive profile, he and the Pacers benefitted greatly from that support
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:42 pm to ShoeBang
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Pippen
Not a scrub and the only player I will not label as a scrub or role player
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Rodman
role player-defense and rebounding
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Kerr
role player-spot up three point shooter
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Horace Grant
role player-basically younger version of Charles Oakley role
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Kukoc
role player, sixth man not really great at many things but valuable to THAT team
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Ron Harper
past his prime as a player "Peg Leg" role player for defense
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but let's not pretend he didn't have some bad asses to ride with either.
Jordan rode those guys and put them through the meat grinder in practice every day to make them the badasses they became
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:45 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Calling those guys scrubs is ridiculous
I called them scrubs AND role players
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They made the eastern conference finals the year Jordan sat out.
Did not
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Guys like Ron Harper had 20 point scoring averages before he came to the bulls
Past his prime as a complete player
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Kucok could play
sixth man role player
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Bulls were effing stacked
Stacked with a great supporting cast for Jordan and Pippen's approach to the game, guys who could spell them in spurts and run the triangle but incapable of assuming the lion's share of the scoring load they weren't the Dream Team but played seamlessly as a unit under Jackson
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:58 pm to ThePTExperience1969
The myth of Jordan grows every year.
Considering he made his own worship me documentary I can see why.
Most people discount his teammates and lay all the success at his feet.
People like to pretend MJ was drafted in 92 played three years. Came back in 96 and played three more years and retired. Won six titles and went 82-0 for his six seasons in the NBA.
He was a loser as a tram leader until Pippen got there.
Jordan’s career record without Pippen is 193-187
1-9 in the playoffs
Pippen’s without Jordan is 295-185
19-21 in the playoffs.
Nike and ESPN convinced the world MJ was the greatest. But a lot of truth says otherwise.
Considering he made his own worship me documentary I can see why.
Most people discount his teammates and lay all the success at his feet.
People like to pretend MJ was drafted in 92 played three years. Came back in 96 and played three more years and retired. Won six titles and went 82-0 for his six seasons in the NBA.
He was a loser as a tram leader until Pippen got there.
Jordan’s career record without Pippen is 193-187
1-9 in the playoffs
Pippen’s without Jordan is 295-185
19-21 in the playoffs.
Nike and ESPN convinced the world MJ was the greatest. But a lot of truth says otherwise.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 9:14 pm to VA LSU fan
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Nike and ESPN convinced the world MJ was the greatest. But a lot of truth says otherwise.
Sooooo many words to rebut all the nonsense you just submitted in the post but this last part really objectionable
Outside of Wilt Chamberlain/Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan's the most dominant and impactful player to ever play this game, the Detroit Pistons (the most elite basketball team of the late 1980s) literally reconstructed their entire defensive gameplan to stop HIM and HIM ALONE, he changed the game the way Lawrence Taylor changed football, unless you were someone like Dumars/Ron Harper/Alvin Robertson, defensive guards absolutely could not handle MJ and bigger players fared no better because he was so quick and strong, he changed the way shooting guards played, the way offenses attack great defensive shooting guards since he was so disruptive there too, and the way defenses defend great 2-guard scorers. In large part until the 1990 season (Pippen's first all-star year), Jordan WAS the ONLY cog in a punchless Bulls attack, if he didn't make plays or set his teammates up no one else would, that makes his accomplishments then even greater once Scottie/Horace matured into great wingmen.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 9:21 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I will say it again.
Jordan was below .500 in his career without Pippen.
If Jordan changed the game then once Pippen got there it must have changed the world.
Pippen was nearly 100 games above .500 without Jordan. Pippen could guard all five positions, play point forward, and was a top five player getting paid like a bench player.
Jordan was below .500 in his career without Pippen.
If Jordan changed the game then once Pippen got there it must have changed the world.
Pippen was nearly 100 games above .500 without Jordan. Pippen could guard all five positions, play point forward, and was a top five player getting paid like a bench player.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 9:49 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Much better product back in the day. Some epic battles between the big names of the game. NBA is shite today, even if you take the politics out of it.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:02 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I still watch the nba but I haven’t given a damn about it since all the players I grew up watching retired in the mid-late 2000s.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:05 am to Byrdybyrd05
I love the game. The aesthetics, the speed, and the pace, the freakin' skill level is off the charts. Nothing compares, not baseball, not even HUNH football. The best athletes in the world reside there. I particularly love the NBA cause they are the best of the best. When the skill of a man's game is clearly seen and appreciated over the more formative years of a teenager in college. I can watch a bad NBA game over a good NFL game any day, place, or time.
I love the NBA!!!
I love the NBA!!!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:16 am to McCaigBro69
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They played together for four years and didn’t do shite, not because either one was hurt, but because neither one of them was ever going to lead a team to a title. Two sidekicks that needed an no. 1 guy.
You may want to go back and rethink this comment, grant hill was hurt his entire time with Orlando, (played in less than 50% of Orlando games.) in fact he was never the same player after that injury. And grant was with Orlando for 5 years not 4. So yea look up facts before you post dumb shite.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:02 am to VA LSU fan
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Jordan was below .500 in his career without Pippen.
No one's denying that, however look at it this way, without Jordan those early Bulls teams were easily a 20 win or less team, he was worth 15-20 wins those pre-Pippen years I mean he misses basically most of the 1986 season and the Bulls barely win 30 games, they won 38 Jordan's rookie season and 40 in 1987. Not only that, they only won 27 games the year before they drafted Jordan, that's the MJ effect.
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If Jordan changed the game then once Pippen got there it must have changed the world.
While Pippen should receive credit for his contributions to the Bulls (though by now the praise is getting ridiculous to the point people are starting to overrate him), this comment is disingenuous. The Bulls drafted Horace Grant that season too, John Paxson was coming into his own as a contributing player, they traded for Sam Vincent for PG depth, Oakley matured into one of the league's top enforcers and rebounders, and Phil Jackson joined the team, combining all that together with maybe MJ's greatest all-around season pre-90s if not his entire career (35-6-5 on 53% FG, DPOY, league MVP, All-Star Game MVP, Slam Dunk champ) it's really not that surprising that Bulls team won 50 games and improved a notch. Not all Scottie. Moreover, we can't overlook how Jordan drove Scottie hard in practices and that really made Scottie what he became. Remember Scottie was a rumor coming out of Central Arkansas who drastically improved his draft profile with great combine performances and incredibly raw entering the league, MJ and Jackson really refined his game to render him a top 25 player of all-time.
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was a top five player getting paid like a bench player.
Scottie should've played out his first contract and become a free agent the year MJ retired and he would've commanded top dollar on the market of all players. To Scottie's credit, he doesn't regret the extension too much probably the only element of it he does regret was the fact the Bulls paid Kukoc more and they kept delaying negotiations with him accordingly.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:20 pm to TexasTiger08
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The same argument is used to shite on Gonzaga beating up on U of San Francisco or something. When you go 73-9 because you have better talent across the board, is it REALLY that exciting? Honest question.
Gonzaga beating USF by itself isn't the personification of basketball excellence. Gonzaga beating everyone else including USF to damn near win a national title undefeated is.
Part of the game IS to stack talent.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 6:13 am to Byrdybyrd05
NBA basketball was built on Celtics and Lakers teams that would stock pile all the talent.Big O joined Lou Alcinder on Milwaukee Bucks to win championship. Mark Acquire joined 80s Pistons in a championship season via trade. Hell Bird got Walton in 86. This take is historically inaccurate. The guys in the 80s and 90s would have and sometimes did join up but salary structures and the league office made it undesirable.There was less endorsement money in those eras. It paid better in the 80s and 90s to try to be Batman on a team instead of being someone's Robin.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 6:24 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 6:36 am to Byrdybyrd05
I feel sorry for those that didn’t get to watch 90’s and early 2000’s NBA. I remember watching every Sunday on NBC. The product was so much better then, and the competitiveness and aggressiveness hasn’t been matched. I blame the social media/political soy cry babies like Lebron for ruining the league.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 6:39 am to Rhino5
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I remember watching every Sunday on NBC.
Every Sunday on NBC? I get all the games and watch great NBA matchups every night. I feel sorry for you.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 6:51 am to bamameister
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Every Sunday on NBC? I get all the games and watch great NBA matchups every night. I feel sorry for you.
This was back in the 90’s when I was kid. Congrats on your left wing and BLM media subscription though. I feel sorry for you.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:02 am to Rhino5
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This was back in the 90’s when I was kid. Congrats on your left wing and BLM media subscription though. I feel sorry for you.
Sorry, you let your political persuasions talk you out of a great game. And Charles Barkley votes republican.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:11 am to bamameister
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watch great NBA matchups every night.
frickin loser.
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