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Question about intentional grounding
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:27 am
I'm sure I'm missing something here.
I know there are caveats such as IG while in end zone or at the end of the half/game. But most of the time it's simply a loss of down at the spot of the foul, correct? So what exactly is the penalty? 99% chance they would have been sacked anyway and still have a loss of down at the spot of the foul.
I know there are caveats such as IG while in end zone or at the end of the half/game. But most of the time it's simply a loss of down at the spot of the foul, correct? So what exactly is the penalty? 99% chance they would have been sacked anyway and still have a loss of down at the spot of the foul.
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:28 am to Dale Murphy
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So what exactly is the penalty?
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99% chance they would have been sacked anyway and still have a loss of down at the spot of the foul.
You answered your own question. Its to treat it the same as a sack, essentially.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:29 am to Dale Murphy
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So what exactly is the penalty?
Ummm you get the ball at the spot of the foul instead of the previous line of scrimmage.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:30 am to Dale Murphy
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So what exactly is the penalty?
well...if the penalty wasn't called, your position from an incomplete pass is going to be a lot better than your posistion after IG.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:31 am to Dale Murphy
It’s technically an incomplete pass, not a sack though. I see the logic behind your question, but the play is penalized compared to what the result would be if there was no penalty called (which is ball at the original LOS).
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:34 am to Dale Murphy
while we are on the subject, it's maddening that spiking the ball to kill the clock isnt IG. in the pocket, ball doesnt cross the line of scrimmage, and no receiver in the area. it'll never get called but i wish a ref would throw the flag just one time on it. haha.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:37 am to BigDawg0420
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Ummm you get the ball at the spot of the foul instead of the previous line of scrimmage.
Which is the same result had you not thrown the ball.
It's like if a holding call was a spot foul instead of a 10 yard penalty.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:38 am to TheGodfather
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while we are on the subject, it's maddening that spiking the ball to kill the clock isnt IG. in the pocket, ball doesnt cross the line of scrimmage, and no receiver in the area. it'll never get called but i wish a ref would throw the flag just one time on it. haha.
Spiking the ball is specifically allowed in the rulebook in the intentional grounding section; it’s not a matter of the refs ignoring it.
ETA: I have no idea why I got downvoted for a fact, but here it is for those who think I’d just make that up for some reason. Section 2 Article 1 Item 3 on page 5.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:50 am to TheGodfather
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Item 3: Stopping Clock A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.
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Item 4: Delayed Spike A passer, after delaying his passing action for strategic purposes, is prohibited from throwing the ball to the ground in front of him, even though he is under no pressure from defensive rusher(s).
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:52 am to Dale Murphy
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Which is the same result had you not thrown the ball.
No it is not. The quarterback avoids a hit. Intentional grounding is a way to dissuade QBs from being a bitch.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:56 am to BigDawg0420
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Intentional grounding is a way to dissuade QBs from being a bitch.
How? It allows them to throw it away and avoid a hit. That's the exact opposite of dissuading them from being a bitch. If it was a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the foul, then they'd be more apt to take a sack.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:01 pm to TheGodfather
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while we are on the subject, it's maddening that spiking the ball to kill the clock isnt IG. in the pocket, ball doesnt cross the line of scrimmage, and no receiver in the area. it'll never get called but i wish a ref would throw the flag just one time on it. haha.
Yeah! And what's the deal with college football allowing the placeholder to catch the ball with his knee down!?
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:10 pm to Dale Murphy
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How? It allows them to throw it away and avoid a hit.
With a loss of yardage back to the spot of the foul. If there was no penalty for committing intentional grounding (as you claim), the ball would be placed at the original line of scrimmage as if it were an incomplete pass. QBs cannot bitch out and throw the ball away last second without facing a penalty. It's either take a hit and lose yards or avoid the hit and lose yards.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:19 pm to Dale Murphy
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So what exactly is the penalty?
100% agree.. if you are the QB it is either take the sack and be down right there and "lose" the down.. or take your chance with the ref maybe not calling intentional grounding...worst case scenario ref throws the flag and get ball back at the exact spot would have been sacked.
Penalty should be 5 or 10 yds from spot of foul and loss of down.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:43 pm to yaherrdme
Another voice of reason.
It’s not a penalty. It’s simply a lack of reward for avoiding a sack.
It’s not a penalty. It’s simply a lack of reward for avoiding a sack.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:44 pm to Dale Murphy
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Which is the same result had you not thrown the ball.
It's like if a holding call was a spot foul instead of a 10 yard penalty.
You don't lose the down on a holding call.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:47 pm to TheGodfather
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while we are on the subject, it's maddening that spiking the ball to kill the clock isnt IG. in the pocket, ball doesnt cross the line of scrimmage, and no receiver in the area. it'll never get called but i wish a ref would throw the flag just one time on it. haha.
There's no imminent threat of a sack, and if you truly want to argue semantics, there's generally a RB in the area.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:57 pm to Dale Murphy
The one that always gets me almost never get called (it was called in a big game this CFB season I think once).
QB and receiver aren't on the same page on a play. QB has a little bit of pressure on him so he throws to where he believe the play call is for the WR to be. WR has broken off his route 20 yards earlier for whatever reason. Ball goes 20 yards past any eligible receiver. Technically it's probably Intentional Grounding but also anyone watching it realizes it was probably just a play where the QB/WR are on different pages for whatever reason
QB and receiver aren't on the same page on a play. QB has a little bit of pressure on him so he throws to where he believe the play call is for the WR to be. WR has broken off his route 20 yards earlier for whatever reason. Ball goes 20 yards past any eligible receiver. Technically it's probably Intentional Grounding but also anyone watching it realizes it was probably just a play where the QB/WR are on different pages for whatever reason
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:14 pm to Dale Murphy
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So what exactly is the penalty? 99% chance they would have been sacked anyway and still have a loss of down at the spot of the foul.
This is my gripe with the rule. There is no penalty because you were going to be sacked anyway. The IG penalty does not discourage intentional grounding. There should be 5 yards on top of the spot fell and loss of down.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:31 pm to Dizz
quote:ITS NOT A SACK IF YOU THROW THE BALL BEFORE BEING TACKLED. It is up to the referee to determine if there was a receiver in the area.
There is no penalty because you were going to be sacked anyway.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 2:34 pm
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