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re: Players we know that are on the failed steroids test list of 2003
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:33 pm to Shankopotomus
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:33 pm to Shankopotomus
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damn. never realized he was that jacked up during the WS run
Gonzalez was good buddies with Caminiti & Bagwell. He was a major user.
Add Richard Hidalgo & Bobby Abreu to the list.
This post was edited on 7/30/09 at 1:35 pm
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Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:34 pm to Kige Ramsey
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:37 pm to wrlakers
Pudge was a definite roider.
I dont think Biggio was.
But i think a lot of Stro's in the late 90's were. Bagwell, definitely. Carl Everett say a spike in numbers with the Stro's too. Moises Alou. Richard Hidalgo. Jose Lima
I dont think Biggio was.
But i think a lot of Stro's in the late 90's were. Bagwell, definitely. Carl Everett say a spike in numbers with the Stro's too. Moises Alou. Richard Hidalgo. Jose Lima
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:40 pm to LSUTexan78
yeah, from those AZ teams:
Gonzo
Finley
Jay Bell(38 HR!!!!)
Gonzo
Finley
Jay Bell(38 HR!!!!)
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:41 pm to Kige Ramsey
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Kerry Wood
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Alfonso Soriano
right cuz of how huge he is huh
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:57 pm to Lester Earl
Cubs on the list: Farnsworth, Karros, Aramis Ramirez, Mark Prior, Zambrano, Alou and obviously Sosa.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:59 pm to Kige Ramsey
Juan Pierre
Willy Taveras
Jimmy Rollins
Rafeal Furcal
Mugsey Bouges
Trindon Holliday
Willy Taveras
Jimmy Rollins
Rafeal Furcal
Mugsey Bouges
Trindon Holliday
Posted on 7/30/09 at 1:59 pm to LSUTexan78
Ramirez & Zambrano?? I dont think.
Prior...maybe, he was extremely well put together, much like Clemens.
the rest, probably.
Prior...maybe, he was extremely well put together, much like Clemens.
the rest, probably.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:00 pm to DaTigahDen
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Mugsey Bouges
Trindon Holliday
I see what you did there.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:04 pm to Lester Earl
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Ramirez & Zambrano?? I dont think.
If I knew you in person, I would be willing to bet some dough that one or the other or both is on the list if/ when it's ever released.
Venezuelans are pretty big cheaters (Zambrano). Hidalgo & Abreu were both users that came from the Astros Venezuelan developmental programs. Latins are big users in general.
This post was edited on 7/30/09 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:07 pm to wrlakers
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I hope you're wrong about this.
Pudge has been on them forever bud.
He stole the '99 MVP from Jeter with that shite.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:08 pm to LSUTexan78
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If I knew you in person, I would be willing to bet some dough that one or the other or both is on the list if/ when it's ever released.
Venezuelans are pretty big cheaters (Zambrano). Hidalgo & Abreu were both users that came from the Astros Venezuelan developmental programs. Latins are big users in general.
how come their numbers are consistent nearly every year?
And is Abreu on a list or linked to roids? he's had a pretty consistent career throughout
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:12 pm to Lester Earl
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how come their numbers are consistent nearly every year?
HGH isn't detectable. "Supplements" don't help hand eye coordination.
Abreu is a good hitter. Hidalgo was a flash in the pan whose numbers dropped off the table and he disappeared from baseball.
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And is Abreu on a list or linked to roids? he's had a pretty consistent career throughout
This was a speculation thread. Abreu came from the Astros farm system which was full of users. I speculate that he did too.
This post was edited on 7/30/09 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:14 pm to Lester Earl
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And is Abreu on a list or linked to roids? he's had a pretty consistent career throughout
He was on them at some point. He just stopped hitting homeruns when they started testing.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:19 pm to BayouBengals03
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Pudge has been on them forever bud.
He's probably the most obvious user in MLB. His body type completely changed from his WS title with the Marlins to his spring training with the Tigers.
He either used or he has the world's largest tapeworm in his gut.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:22 pm to LSUTexan78
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HGH isn't detectable. "Supplements" don't help hand eye coordination.
its not 100 full proof test, but you can detect HGH.
and these guys are 9, 10 year MLB veterans its hard to believe that after all the Bonds shite and now Ramirez, etc, that they have used HGH for that long. I just dont buy it
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Abreu came from the Astros farm system which was full of users. I speculate that he did too.
i think he's clean.
a lot of people speculate Caminitti brought it around the Astro's, and that was mid 90's, about the time Abreu came up. I dont think HGH was prevalent back then and in his second year, Abreu was putting up numbers pretty consistent to what he did last year and what he'll prob do this year. That was 1998 with Philly
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:26 pm to BayouBengals03
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He just stopped hitting homeruns when they started testing.
not really
98: 17
99: 20
00:25
01: 31
02: 20
03: 20
04: 30
05: 24
06: 15
07:16
08: 20
he's never really been a big HR hitter. But those numbers are pretty consistent
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
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and these guys are 9, 10 year MLB veterans its hard to believe that after all the Bonds shite and now Ramirez, etc, that they have used HGH for that long. I just dont buy it
Do you think long-time steroid users that built their careers on power simply went cold turkey on "supplements" after 2003 or do you think they simply started using less detectable drugs? I think hitters that are approaching their potentially last multi-year contract are getting on "supplements" b/c they have little to lose and everything to gain. I think usage is still pretty prevalent in the game.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:42 pm to LSUTexan78
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Do you think long-time steroid users that built their careers on power simply went cold turkey on "supplements" after 2003 or do you think they simply started using less detectable drugs?
i think a lot do
and a lot hit their mid 30's and fall apart after being pretty good the years before. Maybe its cold turkey, maybe its just the pounding from the drugs. It just so happens to coincide with stiffer testing, so make your own judgements
Sosa fell of the wagon and broke down
Ortiz was kind of the opposite, went from a 20 HR guy in MINN to 50 in BOS, but is now breaking down.
Caminitti went from winning the MVP to breaking down to dying
Bagwell went from 20 HR guy to a 40 HR guy then fell off and broke down
guys like Hidalgo, Jay Bell, Gonzo, Finley, Brady Anderson, Brett Boone, etc, NEVER came close again to their career years. Not even CLOSE. What do u suspect they did? They were obvious users for a short period, but either went cold turkey or starting taking a shitty, less detectable drug.
Posted on 7/30/09 at 2:48 pm to Lester Earl
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guys like Hidalgo, Jay Bell, Gonzo, Finley, Brady Anderson, Brett Boone, etc, NEVER came close again to their career years. Not even CLOSE. What do u suspect they did? They were obvious users for a short period, but either went cold turkey or starting taking a shitty, less detectable drug.
I think the highlighted guys saw using steriods as a chance to make a last ditch effort at cashing in a lucrative contract. They were mediorce ballplayers to begin with but the roids made them superstars for a short period of time. Once the money was guaranteed and in the bank, they weaned themselves from the drugs and "faded into bolivian (Mike Tyson quote)"
Hidalgo ate himself out of the league.
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