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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:32 am to genro
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:32 am to genro
NY Times article on James' assemblage of this team
quote:
Before excuses are made for LeBron James, before the bulk of the blame for consecutive horror shows at Oracle Arena is heaped on a supporting cast of Cleveland Cavaliers that has turned to dust when removed from a comfy Eastern Conference refuge, it must be reiterated that this was the team the King himself courted. This was the crew James left Miami for, the one he reconfigured with back-room leverage upon returning home and then stood by approvingly when a coach with an impeccable (albeit limited) N.B.A. record was dismissed for a replacement with no head-coaching record at all.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:33 am to genro
quote:
I guess I'm sorry you didn't witness it and don't understand it
i did and i bought into the hype (i even got excited over Space Jam, saw that shite in theaters, and saved up money to buy a goddamn jersey featured in the movie)
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:33 am to RonBurgundy
quote:The common belief isn't always the correct belief.
Say what you want, but at a certain inflection point of greatness winning titles matter. Jerry West,Dr.J and Wilt all have lesser legacies because they won less titles
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i clearly said there is objective data to make this argument (and win)
I'd love to see data showing MJ was overrated.
quote:
i think you have a typo there
Nope.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:33 am to RonBurgundy
quote:Except for the loooong list of times he hasn't in the playoffs?
He. Plays. Soft.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:35 am to RonBurgundy
quote:
, it must be reiterated that this was the team the King himself courted.
one of the article's examples is kyrie, who was there before LBJ was
the other is a role player (JR Smith)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
one of the article's examples is kyrie, who was there before LBJ was
If Kyrie wasn't in The Letter, it was by decision, no?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:36 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:You quoted a game that I was pointing out where he took over, then responded with a few things he did wrong.
Where did you get that from anything I said?
How else am I supposed to take that other than you insinuating you disagreed with me? Honest question.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:37 am to mattz1122
Plenty of people think MJ was unstoppable in the playoffs.
Perfect example of him being overrated.
Perfect example of him being overrated.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:38 am to shel311
quote:
But basically, they're only shot is for him to have an off the wall usage rate IMO. Reason being, no one is stepping up.
Agreed
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:38 am to RonBurgundy
quote:And? I don't really get this point, that is really not a point at all.
Before excuses are made for LeBron James, before the bulk of the blame for consecutive horror shows at Oracle Arena is heaped on a supporting cast of Cleveland Cavaliers that has turned to dust when removed from a comfy Eastern Conference refuge, it must be reiterated that this was the team the King himself courted. This was the crew James left Miami for, the one he reconfigured with back-room leverage upon returning home and then stood by approvingly when a coach with an impeccable (albeit limited) N.B.A. record was dismissed for a replacement with no head-coaching record at all.
He had a plan in place. And there's only 1 thing that stopped, an all time great team that came out of nowhere, no one remotely saw this coming. That's the simple explanation as to why Lebron hasn't won a title since his CLE comeback. He hasn't assembled a team that is the best or 2nd best of all time.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:39 am to RonBurgundy
quote:
If Kyrie wasn't in The Letter, it was by decision, no?
wasn't Kyrie in "the letter"?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
You used to live in the anti LeBron crowd. What happened man?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes
wasn't Kyrie in "the letter"?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:42 am to RonBurgundy
Good troll by Phil. Everyone knows LeBroney doesn't have the killer instinct to do so.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:44 am to RonBurgundy
Did Lebron not take over in the finals last year? How did that turn out...
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:44 am to Toula
quote:
You used to live in the anti LeBron crowd
wait what?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:45 am to OldSchoolAlpha
quote:How do you explain the loooong list of times he's done so?
Everyone knows LeBroney doesn't have the killer instinct to do so.
My guess is close your ears and say, "la la la la la"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Love watching LBJ fail, but he's stuck in a shite spot right now (he put himself there to be fair). If he's too passive and relies on Irving and Love to do them, he gets shite on. If he tries to win it all on his own, he gets shite on.
To this day, I wonder if Phil has something against Pippen cause he never pops up in these bullshite quotes. Dude averaged 20/8/8 against Portland on 48% from the field.
Quote should read:
"LeBron needs Prime Pippen to walk through that door."
To this day, I wonder if Phil has something against Pippen cause he never pops up in these bullshite quotes. Dude averaged 20/8/8 against Portland on 48% from the field.
Quote should read:
"LeBron needs Prime Pippen to walk through that door."
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:47 am to ShamelessPel
quote:While possibly being the best defensive player ever. 8 first team all defense
Dude averaged 20/8/8 against Portland
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 11:48 am
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