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re: Per The Athletic: Pressure building for an 8 team playoff from conference/school admins
Posted on 12/13/18 at 5:14 am to slackster
Posted on 12/13/18 at 5:14 am to slackster
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The auto bids go to five conferences. If you want an auto bid, join one of those conferences.
Lmao
Imagine being this dumb
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 5:51 am to xiv
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No it doesn’t. We’ve all had about 20 years to figure out why conference championships don’t predicate this, and you’ve had heroes like me explain it to you repeatedly. It’s a dumb idea that’s way worse than anything we’ve ever had.
Auto bids to a playoff have never been a thing. Ever. Acting like the conference champion formats will stay the same if a bid is on the line is naive.
Folks like Mr Perfect here believe it's dumb for Pittsburgh to have a chance at the playoffs in the ACC title game. Alternatively, I think it's dumb to think the current conference championship format would stay the same under a new system.
If a conference wants to crown its champion by saying the highest ranked team in the Massey Composite is the champ, that's fine by me. If they want to stick with divisions and a conference championship, that's fine too. Ultimately we don't know who is the "best" team given the schedule imbalances. The SEC played 15 games against P5/Independents this year. The ACC played 21, boosted by their relationship with Notre Dame. How much do we really know about how good these regional teams are?
If you're going to try to crown a champion, let the conferences separate the wheat from the chaff on a regional level first. I fail to see how a potentially deserving team could get left out of such a model.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:34 am to 1999
If we do expand the Playoff, then some measures will have to be put in place relative to recruiting and coaching staff changes.
Naturally, schools will be hiring away assistants from the playoff schools. Like Locksley to Maryland this year. Right now it isn't as big of a deal because of the dead period and the month in between games. That becomes a bigger issue if we expand. Additionally, while the top 8 teams would be occupied with preparations for the Playoff games in early December, they would then be at a disadvantage on the recruiting trail leading up to Early Signing Day.
So lets quit pretending like expanding to 8 is just a magical fix to everyone's problems. The heavy lifting and logistical gymnastics that would have to happen aren't worth it in order to placate the #7 or #8 teams. I don't know of any other sport where a head coach has to juggle staffing issues with the heart of recruiting season while going through a playoff.
Naturally, schools will be hiring away assistants from the playoff schools. Like Locksley to Maryland this year. Right now it isn't as big of a deal because of the dead period and the month in between games. That becomes a bigger issue if we expand. Additionally, while the top 8 teams would be occupied with preparations for the Playoff games in early December, they would then be at a disadvantage on the recruiting trail leading up to Early Signing Day.
So lets quit pretending like expanding to 8 is just a magical fix to everyone's problems. The heavy lifting and logistical gymnastics that would have to happen aren't worth it in order to placate the #7 or #8 teams. I don't know of any other sport where a head coach has to juggle staffing issues with the heart of recruiting season while going through a playoff.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 7:48 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:32 am to 1999
An 8 game playoff would be fantastic news for Notre Dame!!
The Irish would be in the playoffs most years..... because they deserve it of course, with their schedule, national fan base, media, etc etc.
The Irish would be in the playoffs most years..... because they deserve it of course, with their schedule, national fan base, media, etc etc.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 8:56 am to slackster
quote:We know.
I fail to see how a potentially deserving team could get left out of such a model.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:07 am to 1999
Washington is no way shape or form should be in the playoffs. Lost to three teams with 5 losses
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:11 am to 21JumpStreet
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If you can't win your conference you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Then why does literally every sport allow this to happen
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:12 am to slackster
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Folks like Mr Perfect here believe it's dumb for Pittsburgh to have a chance at the playoffs in the ACC title game.
Yes we do.
It's absolutely absurd
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:13 am to 1999
quote:IMO, if we absolutely have to have auti bids, it shouldn't be auto bids for the 5 P5 conferences, it should be auto bids for the 5 conferences winners ranked the highest.
Auto bids for conference champions, highest group of 5, and two wildcards.
I know it's just a slight tweak but this season for example, USC gets the 5th auto bid and counts as the P5 team, so then we can just take the 3 highest ranked wild cards.
I don't think that would change anything this season as Washington would still get in, but in a similar situation, it could help keep a 3 loss Washington out in seasons where there's another elite 1-2 loss school that does not win their conference.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:14 am to The Quiet One
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If you're going to nationalize major college football and do it fairly, then you have to bring in the programs under one umbrella, cull the fat (drop some low-end P5 teams and most G5 teams), streamline the schedule and set it up like a giant NFL. Otherwise, we're just kicking the can further down the road.
^^^^
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:27 am to rocket31
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If you're going to nationalize major college football and do it fairly, then you have to bring in the programs under one umbrella, cull the fat (drop some low-end P5 teams and most G5 teams), streamline the schedule and set it up like a giant NFL. Otherwise, we're just kicking the can further down the road.
The system that I proposed on the previous page does this. I realize that it would be under a lot of resistance because of individual interests. Those things will always have to be overcome. It has a few downvotes, but I'd like to hear some specific criticism.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:29 am to Clashmore Mike
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The Irish would be in the playoffs most years..... because they deserve it of course, with their schedule, national fan base, media, etc etc.
No. Also frick y'all.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:31 am to High C
your proposal is just way too complicated for the average joe american to adopt.
as evidenced by this thread, they want something simple like the NFL
as evidenced by this thread, they want something simple like the NFL
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:43 am to xiv
What deserving team gets left out under 5 auto bids, a G5 component, and 2/3 at large teams, especially compared to the current model?
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 9:46 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:45 am to Mr Perfect
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Yes we do.
It's absolutely absurd
Yet you fail to wrap your brain around the fact that's an issue the individual conferences should address. The playoffs are asking for your best team - you decide how to crown that team.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:52 am to Glorious
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Washington is no way shape or form should be in the playoffs. Lost to three teams with 5 losses
Washington would have been in over Michigan. I'm not going to lose any sleep over that.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:03 am to slackster
This year, Michigan. Better record and tougher schedule than Washington, but you want to count 9 games instead of all 12/13.
It’s better to decide it on the field; you want to decide it on part of the field. It’s dumb. If isn’t happening. Taking the best 8 teams is a better way. It’s been explained to you. Why don’t you just get it?
It’s better to decide it on the field; you want to decide it on part of the field. It’s dumb. If isn’t happening. Taking the best 8 teams is a better way. It’s been explained to you. Why don’t you just get it?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:08 am to slackster
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What deserving team gets left out under 5 auto bids, a G5 component, and 2/3 at large teams, especially compared to the current model?
None. There's no legitimate argument against it other than nostalgia.
I'm fine with squabbling over who gets ranked 9 or 10 and gets left out in the cold. They wouldn't be out in the cold if they won their conference or had a stronger resume.
Way better than the current setup that AT BEST leaves a conference champ out. Last year left two out (and it was the correct call to rank Bama and UGA as two of the 4 best).
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:10 am to xiv
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This year, Michigan. Better record and tougher schedule than Washington, but you want to count 9 games instead of all 12/13.
I say this as a Michigan fan--i'd not argue them getting left out in this scenario. Didn't win their conference and got run off the field by a non-playoff team late in the year. Sorry. Maybe don't lose to ND next time.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:13 am to xiv
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Taking the best 8 teams is a better way. It’s been explained to you. Why don’t you just get it?
We don't know who the 8 best teams are, which is the entite point. There is minor overlap of schedules. I know Ohio State was the best team in the Midwest and Washington was the best team in the west. I don't know that Michigan is better/worse than Washington, and neither do you.
Be the best team in your region and we'll talk.
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