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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:43 am to Wrestler171
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:43 am to Wrestler171
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:45 am to VerlanderBEAST
They = NCAA member institutions. The institutions that benefit from the hypothetical unpunishable cheating.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:45 am to LOCO5150
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hundreds of kids being anally raped on your campus and it being covered up by your University for 14 + years while continuing to allow it to happen are both totally different too.
the part that really gets me is when they told Sandusky to stop bringing boys to the locker room. They knew what was going on, knew where it was going on. And, they simply told him to go f*$% the boys some where else.
Let that sink in for a moment. They had already fired Sandusky (Why? Because he was accused of rape.) They then found out that he was continuing to bring boys in to the locker room and shower. There response to knowing that an accused rapist was bringing boys into a shower was to:
1. Tell him not to bring them there anymore.
Not, stop showering with boys. Not, who is that boy and let me take him from your custody. Not, let me call your foundation that you use to funnel children to yourself. Not, let me call the school that you live next to and have a view of the playground. Not, let me call the adoption agency that you used to adopt children. Not, let me call the foster care program that you used to foster care children. Not call any law enforcement whatsoever.
They simply told him not to bring kids their anymore.
The people who ran Penn State, who had all of the responsibility of the entire University, told Jerry Sandusky to go f*$% those boys some where else.
There is ZERO punishment that will ever be enough for that entire University.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 7:47 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:50 am to MOT
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They = NCAA member institutions. The institutions that benefit from the hypothetical unpunishable cheating.
??? The individuals who cheated or coaches/administrators who knew about the cheating and didn't report it should be punished.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:52 am to VerlanderBEAST
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VerlanderBEAST
Didn't realize this is who I was replying to.
Sorry, ignore my post on the prior page. You aren't worth my time.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:52 am to hashtag
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The people who ran Penn State, who had all of the responsibility of the entire University, told Jerry Sandusky to go f*$% those boys some where else.
Then punish the people who ran Penn State and let that go on. What is so hard about that?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:54 am to VerlanderBEAST
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The individuals who cheated or coaches/administrators who knew about the cheating and didn't report it should be punished.
Most are gone..either dead or fired. However, most NCAA sanctions come down on the remains of the program instead of those who committed the violations. It's just the way it works. Look at USC. Reggie Bush's family gets paid, Pete Carroll leaves, USC gets the hammer. Same with Ohio State. If you don't hand out punishments, there are no deterrents.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 7:55 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:56 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Then punish the people who ran Penn State and let that go on. What is so hard about that?
So you really don't think PSU should be punished? If you don't punish the school you set a dangerous precedent. Then, schools can break rules and laws all they want and when they get caught, rid themselves of the guilty employees and face no consequences. PSU has to be punished severely, there is no other way.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:57 am to graychef
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NCAA sanctions come down on the remains of the program instead of those who committed the violations. It's just the way it works
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If you don't hand out punishments, there are no deterrents.
Then there truly aren't any deterrents.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:59 am to VerlanderBEAST
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and neither one should be punished with a bowl ban
You have got to be the biggest flamer ever. I don't think you really believe this shite that is spewing out.
The only way you can actually believe this is if you yourself like to rape innocent kids or you see nothing wrong with someone else doing it.
These excuses coming from the Penn State supporters that are acting like it's outrageous if they get any punishment are beyond pathetic.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:59 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:Well that is what is happening with Jerry Sandusky. And maybe will happen when the other ones who looked the other way come up for trial later on. And probably will come when the civil suits start flying. But as a football culture, the existence of this atrocity and its tolerance speaks of total rot, corruption, incompetence, neglect or something at PSU that needs serious attention. A $30 million fine and the death penalty for football won't fix the kids' lives that have been permanently scarred by what PSU/Sandusky did (or failed to do). But it will say to PSU fans and alum, as well as the Big Ten, as well as the rest of this football crazed nation that there are some things that still matter. Even more than tradition and storied coaches and their football programs.
The people who ran Penn State, who had all of the responsibility of the entire University, told Jerry Sandusky to go f*$% those boys some where else.
Then punish the people who ran Penn State and let that go on. What is so hard about that?
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 8:01 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:59 am to ZereauxSum
ESPN going live with the announcement I am assuming?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:00 am to Tigerfan56
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Then, schools can break rules and laws all they want
Let me know the next time an entire school breaks the rules and laws.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:00 am to ZereauxSum
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Then there truly aren't any deterrents.
False. The next guy in charge works his arse off to make sure it doesn't happen again. Look at USC. They hire Pat Haden to clean house. Yes, they hired Lane Kiffin who carries Ed Orgeron on his side. But they've been clean thus far.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:00 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Then punish the people who ran Penn State and let that go on. What is so hard about that?
I'm fine with that. First, I'm going to need about $500 million from Penn State in order to do a complete full investigation into every single action that was taken within the University the last 30 years. After all, if I'm only going to punish the people responsible, I need to make sure that I've uncovered every person that ever saw Sandusky bring a boy into a locker room, every IT person that was asked to hide an email, every janitor that saw something and said something, every person with the Second Mile who knew something and did nothing, every person with the foster care program that Sandusky used that did nothing, every person with the adoption agency that did nothing.
You act like 10 people were in the wrong. There were 1000s that had knowledge (even if limited) and did nothing. You either have to do everything you can and find every single person that needs to be held responsible, or punish the entire institution.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:03 am to hashtag
Some people just live in a fantasy world and want to ignore reality. Real life doesn't work perfectly.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:03 am to hashtag
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You either have to do everything you can and find every single person that needs to be held responsible, or punish the entire institution.
The NCAA will come down hard on them to show everyone that child rape is not tolerated or condoned by the NCAA.
This shouldn't be news to anyone right
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 8:04 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:04 am to hashtag
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There were 1000s that had knowledge (even if limited) and did nothing.
I highly highly doubt that if 1000s of people knew this would of went on for 15-50 years
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:04 am to hashtag
One thing I haven't taken into account is how are the university and football program structured. Is the Athletic dept. a separate entity money wise from PSU.
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