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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:59 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:59 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Life is a cold hearted s.o.b.! You have tons of growing up to do. The real world is going to shock you my friend!
I think I have seen a little bit more of life than you give me credit for. You don't know a thing about me, nor do you have any idea where I've been, what I've seen, and what I've been through. Life is cold hearted and random. Here, however, there is a choice. You are about to ruin the lives of quite a few people just to make yourself feel better. That's not life, my friend, that's sadism.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:59 pm to volfan30
For Pete's sake they committed conspiracy. They are lucky the Feds aren't up their collective arses.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:00 pm to CerealKilla
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WTF does the NCAA owe to business owners in Pennsylvania?
nothing, but hurting innocents is not going to take away all the pain and incredible damage the victims are going through and have been going through. personally, I'd rather not create even more victims (albeit far different victims) just to punish the criminals.
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That's really silly to think the NCAA should factor these people into their decision regarding a member institution.
Buckner: "The conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:00 pm to volfan30
quote:I'm tired of spoon-feeding you. You ask a question and I answer it with facts. So you ask another and another.
Where can I find this code?
How can you be so ignorant on the issue and still feel comfortable strongly giving your opinion?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:00 pm to CerealKilla
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Lack of institutional control?
Serious question, isn't that only considered as multiple/repeat direct violations?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:00 pm to CerealKilla
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Lack of institutional control?
And what they did concerns the athletic program....how? Did anyone gain a competitive advantage? Was there money given to players to keep quiet about the scandal?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:01 pm to volfan30
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Where can I find this code?
LINK
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And then there's the possibility of NCAA violations, specifically articles 2.4 and 10.1 of the NCAA constitution, which insist on proper ethical behavior on the part of coaches and school officials: "These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:01 pm to Srbtiger06
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Serious question, isn't that only considered as multiple/repeat direct violations?
That's generally when that is handed out, yes. The PSU case is completely unprecedented.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:01 pm to fightingtiger2335
quote:They are old and wise. We are young and stupid. Sit back and learn from them.
Where are all you people coming from with all this vast experience?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:01 pm to Srbtiger06
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There's really no definitive proof outside of the last 20...and that's being generous. If you like to legislate based on speculation and accusation then have at it.
How many pedophiles only abused children in a 20 year proven time frame? Come on now.
And whether it's 20 or 5 it's still a travesty that was covered up by multiple people. And facilitated by an athletic department.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:01 pm to volfan30
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Where can I find this code?
All Bylaws and Principles are in the NCAA Manual and available for anyone to view online. Tomorrow the NCAA president will tell you which ones they believe Penn State violated.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:01 pm to MontyFranklyn
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What NCAA rules did they violate?
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they committed conspiracy
And we are the ones who can't differentiate between NCAA rules and the criminal justice system?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:02 pm to fightingtiger2335
quote:No, you quoted me but you cut off the first part of the sentence to make it look like I said something I didn't say.
so now the town let them get raped?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:02 pm to TDawg1313
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"These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."
That's a very broad and open-ended power. Anyone can interpret that any way they would like.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:03 pm to Srbtiger06
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Serious question, isn't that only considered as multiple/repeat direct violations?
No.
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A lack of institutional control is found when the Committee on Infractions determines that major violations occurred and the institution failed to display: (1) Adequate compliance measures. (2) Appropriate education on those compliance measures. (3) Sufficient monitoring to ensure the compliance measures are followed. (4) Swift action upon learning of a violation.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:04 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Gmorgan4982
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We are young and stupid.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:04 pm to RollTide1987
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That's a very broad and open-ended power. Anyone can interpret that any way they would like.
And the NCAA chooses to interpret it as Penn State violated the bylaw.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:04 pm to Topwater Trout
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I am trying to imagine what businesses surrounding lsu depend solely on football(which only accounts for 3 months a year) to survive. We are talking about 14 days a year that those businesses would see an influx( fri and sat of hone games). I use lsu bc I have never been to psu campus.
I don't have a link, but the Baton Rouge paper ran a piece on the economic impact each LSU Football home game had on local businesses. I want to say somewhere in the neighborhood of $9Million per event? It may have been run in conjunction with the sales tax forgiveness issue with Bayou Country SuperFest.
With respect to Penn State, here is a story PennNews ran this morning on the subject -
A Year without Penn State Football
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:04 pm to genro
quote:Are these people still in the program? What are their names?
Football was so important to the people in the program that they let children get raped to protect it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:04 pm to TDawg1313
But how is this an NCAA violation? They broke the law. They didn't break a moral or ethical code, they committed a felony.
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