re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST

I'm so glad the NCAA will slam the AD. Now the victims have their justice and we can begin healing and move on.

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Now the victims have their justice and we can begin healing and move on.

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I know if someone wrongs me, I want a bunch of other people who had nothing to do with it to be punished.

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According to a source within the NCAA who is talking to ESPN, the penalties are so harsh that Penn State will wish they had received the death penalty.

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yeah. guess we will see, im skeptical.

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I know if someone wrongs me, I want a bunch of other people who had nothing to do with it to be punished.

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You really need to read the Freeh report.

It makes it clear that many, many people at PSU knew about this and did nothing.

Also, let's remember. The fans and players aren't really being "punished". Football is not a necessity. Football is a luxury. It's a pastime, a diversion. We don't need football. So, if in one place a football program has been shown to be a safe haven for a child rapist, why should we keep it around? We don't need it, and it's allowing kids to get raped. So get rid of it.

From the NYT:

INDIANAPOLIS — The N.C.A.A. announced Sunday that it would levy “corrective and punitive measures” against Penn State in the wake of the child sex-abuse scandal involving a former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky and a scathing report that found school leaders covered up accusations against Mr. Sandusky.
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The N.C.A.A. released no details, saying they would be disclosed on Monday morning by N.C.A.A. President Mark Emmert and Ed Ray, the chairman of the N.C.A.A.’s executive committee and Oregon State’s president.

Mr. Sandusky is awaiting sentencing after being convicted of 45 criminal counts of abusing 10 boys over several years. A report by the former F.B.I. Director Louis J. Freeh concluded that the late coach Joe Paterno and three former administrators — the university president Graham B. Spanier, the athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz — “repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse.”

Mr. Emmert as recently as last week would not rule out the possibility of shutting down the Penn State football program in the wake of the scandal, adding that he had “never seen anything as egregious.”

The last time the N.C.A.A. shut down a football program with the so-called “death penalty” was in the 1980s, when SMU was forced to drop the sport because of benefits violations. After the N.C.A.A. suspended the SMU program for a year, the school decided not to play in 1988, as it tried to regroup.

Current N.C.A.A. rules limit the penalty to colleges already on probation that commit another major violation. But N.C.A.A. leaders have indicated in recent months they are willing to use harsher penalties for the worst offenses. That includes postseason and TV bans, which have not been used extensively since the 1980s.

Mr. Emmert told PBS that the Penn State situation was completely different than SMU.

“This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem. There have been people that said this wasn’t a football scandal,” Mr. Emmert told PBS of Penn State. “Well, it was more than a football scandal, much more than a football scandal. It was that but much more. And we’ll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don’t know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case, because it’s really an unprecedented problem.”

Mr. Emmert told Penn State in November that the N.C.A.A. would be examining the “exercise of institutional control” within the athletic department, and said it was clear that “deceitful and dishonest behavior” could be considered a violation of ethics rules. So, too, could a failure to exhibit moral values

Bob Williams, the N.C.A.A.’s vice president for communications, said after the Freeh report was released that Penn State needed to answer “four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies.”

Likely of particular interest to the N.C.A.A. were the report’s conclusions that the school had “decentralized and uneven” oversight of compliance issues — laws, regulations, policies and procedures.

“Certain departments monitored their own compliance issues with very limited resources,” the report found. Ensuring compliance with the federal Clery Act, which requires the reporting of crimes, was handled by someone with “minimal time.”

Penn State’s new president, Rodney Erickson, said after the report that the school was “in much better position to respond” to the N.C.A.A.”s request.

Make them move to the big east

Some of the posts in this here thread have mentioned that all the folks responsible are no longer at the school. the administration are stewards of the school and responsible for running it in an ethical and responsible manner. The school takes on the personality of those running it. The personality now is that of pedophilia and coverup. The university with all it's checks and balances are supposed to keep things that happened at PSU from happening. It was a system wide fail on a Jurassic level. thus the entire university must be held accountable and punished.

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Also, let's remember. The fans and players aren't really being "punished". Football is not a necessity. Football is a luxury. It's a pastime, a diversion. We don't need football. So, if in one place a football program has been shown to be a safe haven for a child rapist, why should we keep it around? We don't need it, and it's allowing kids to get raped. So get rid of it.

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just a tad of sociological imagination well aware you that your thought process is wrong. like many small college towns, the PSU football program creates a ton of jobs that you and I don't even think about.

...hurting innocents is not going to take away all the pain and incredible damage the victims are going through and have been going through. personally, i'd rather not create even more victims (albeit far different victims) just to punish the criminals.

if you and others want the death penalty, fine, whatever i see your point of view, but lets not pretend that the NCAAs decision will not have a large scale impact on many innocent individuals.

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The school takes on the personality of those running it.

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Why not the whole state? It is a public school.

Twisting logic to justify bloodlust.