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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:00 am to harry coleman beast
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:00 am to harry coleman beast
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you using hypotheticals of this happening at other universities with "cult-like" followings is quite irresponsible.
I didn't bring it up. Simply responded to Bama fan acting self-righteous in wanting to burn "the entire football culture down at PSU" - I smell hypocrite when it comes to idol worship at the football gods.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:01 am to loweralabamatrojan
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They say whatever the punishment it is will be unprecedented.
To add to what LAT said, what is "unprecedented" is the way the punishment is being handed out. Not necessarily the penalties.
The OP might want to clarify that.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:01 am to loweralabamatrojan
By "unprecedented" they're just saying it's going to be the sort of punishment we haven't seen before.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:03 am to Zamoro10
quote:
I didn't bring it up. Simply responded to Bama fan acting self-righteous in wanting to burn "the entire football culture down at PSU" - I smell hypocrite when it comes to idol worship at the football gods.
fair enough. you shouldn't put much stock in what a bama fan says though
all I'm saying is, this penn state situation can not be used in hypotheticals. it's a unique situation that hopefully the sports world will never see again.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:03 am to Zamoro10
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I disagree. The NCAA should not be meting out sanctions to Penn State for things that did not give Penn State any competitive advantage.
They have had a recruiting advantage since 98 or 01
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:03 am to genro
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By "unprecedented" they're just saying it's going to be the sort of punishment we haven't seen before.
quote:
Joe Schad ?@schadjoe What is unprecedented is the process through which PSU punishment handed out, not necessarily the penalties
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:05 am to DollaChoppa
The NCAA is an immense joke. Who, exactly, is being punished here and what did this person(s) do to earn this punishment?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:05 am to Gmorgan4982
Penn State Athletics.
Harboring child molesters.
Harboring child molesters.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:06 am to DollaChoppa
quote:This is not a person. What person currently within the Athletic Department is at fault and what did he/she do?
Penn State Athletics
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:07 am to Gmorgan4982
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Who, exactly, is being punished here and what did this person(s) do to earn this punishment?
i think we find out at 9am est
the penalties will not be as harsh as everyone is thinking. the shock value has come from the swiftness in which this punishment has been handed down. 
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:08 am to Gmorgan4982
I am not privy to that information.
But it sounds like a multitude of people facilitated heinous crimes.
But it sounds like a multitude of people facilitated heinous crimes.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 10:09 am
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:08 am to LOCO5150
Just my take,
The NCAA has to and is warranted in punishing the football program and athletic department. I understand the stance some take with punishing those that had nothing to do with the crime but that is the case with every punishment handed down by the NCAA. In every instance of NCAA penalties there were innocent parties effected. It's part of the process. If the innocent were accounted for then there would be no use in the NCAA having rules and every program would just do anything they want. You can't have that. What other way is there to punish rule breakers if the innocent is are left out of the punishment? Money? Doesn't matter if the program is allowed to continue to run at full strength. They'll still make millions even with some losses of revenue. The punishments have to effect the competitive ability of the program. Scholarship limitiations and bowl bans do that while also costing the university some monetary gain. There is no way to punish without it affecting the innocent. It's just like the legal system. Innocent are affected by criminal punishment everyday. There are millions of children affected by the crimes of their parents. Did they deserve to be punished for the sins of their parent? Same concept goes with the NCAA but obviously to an extremely different degree. In the case of Penn St, there were crimes commited by the people in charge of the university and football/athletic program. The program has to be punished by whatever means most effects the ability of the program to compete. In most cases that is scholarship reductions and bowl bans. Maybe even TV money being forfeited. Basically they get to play while on the death penalty. That's worse imo. Not one kid nor coach in the program will be locked in to staying at Penn St. They will be free to leave if they choose. If they choose to stay knowing the punishment then they aren't innocent affected any longer. They made a choice. O'Brien took the job and the current recruiting class knew coming in that punishment was likely(if they didn't then there was a lot of sunshine pumping going on in State College) and chose to go there. They get no sympathy from me. They made a personal choice and have to live with it. Even still they'll be free to leave anytime they want.
The NCAA has to and is warranted in punishing the football program and athletic department. I understand the stance some take with punishing those that had nothing to do with the crime but that is the case with every punishment handed down by the NCAA. In every instance of NCAA penalties there were innocent parties effected. It's part of the process. If the innocent were accounted for then there would be no use in the NCAA having rules and every program would just do anything they want. You can't have that. What other way is there to punish rule breakers if the innocent is are left out of the punishment? Money? Doesn't matter if the program is allowed to continue to run at full strength. They'll still make millions even with some losses of revenue. The punishments have to effect the competitive ability of the program. Scholarship limitiations and bowl bans do that while also costing the university some monetary gain. There is no way to punish without it affecting the innocent. It's just like the legal system. Innocent are affected by criminal punishment everyday. There are millions of children affected by the crimes of their parents. Did they deserve to be punished for the sins of their parent? Same concept goes with the NCAA but obviously to an extremely different degree. In the case of Penn St, there were crimes commited by the people in charge of the university and football/athletic program. The program has to be punished by whatever means most effects the ability of the program to compete. In most cases that is scholarship reductions and bowl bans. Maybe even TV money being forfeited. Basically they get to play while on the death penalty. That's worse imo. Not one kid nor coach in the program will be locked in to staying at Penn St. They will be free to leave if they choose. If they choose to stay knowing the punishment then they aren't innocent affected any longer. They made a choice. O'Brien took the job and the current recruiting class knew coming in that punishment was likely(if they didn't then there was a lot of sunshine pumping going on in State College) and chose to go there. They get no sympathy from me. They made a personal choice and have to live with it. Even still they'll be free to leave anytime they want.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:08 am to genro
I personally don't agree with the NCAA penalizing the Penn State football program.
If Jerry Sandusky never existed, we would never be having this conversation. Jerry Sandusky is the ONE that put everyone else in this terrible situation. Jerry Sandusky is the bad guy.
I'm by no means defending the "cover up." It was bad as well, but there would never have even been a coverup if Jerry Sandusky had not done what he did.
Personally, I think everyone involved in the coverup should lose their job and possibly face jail time depending upon what the courts decide, but I do not agree with penalizing the Penn State football program. Jerry Sandusky is the one that should face the wrath of everyone, not everyone associated with Penn State football.
If Jerry Sandusky never existed, we would never be having this conversation. Jerry Sandusky is the ONE that put everyone else in this terrible situation. Jerry Sandusky is the bad guy.
I'm by no means defending the "cover up." It was bad as well, but there would never have even been a coverup if Jerry Sandusky had not done what he did.
Personally, I think everyone involved in the coverup should lose their job and possibly face jail time depending upon what the courts decide, but I do not agree with penalizing the Penn State football program. Jerry Sandusky is the one that should face the wrath of everyone, not everyone associated with Penn State football.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:08 am to RJYH
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Saban has power, probably too much. Until he uses that power in a heinous way or anything relatively close to what happened at PSU, you're really reaching.
If the argument is that the problem at Penn State is its culture and giving the football coach too much power, then YES, a comparison to Alabama can be made and is valid.
It's not about whether Saban has abused his power; rather, it's about whether the culture at Bama could POTENTIALLY have similar problems if Saban's power is left unchecked. No one is saying that Saban is harboring a pedophile or other criminal. Rather, they are saying that the same cultural framework is in place and that you should be aware of that.
Fortunately, seeing the fall from grace of Paterno and Penn State SHOULD cause other institutions that have similar cultural structures (Bama football, Duke and UNC basketball, et al) to reconsider how much they deify their coaches and how much accountability they assign to those programs.
Penn State is a cautionary tale for these places. If you put your coaches and their programs on a pedestal, they can and will fall and they can and will fall hard. Keep it real, in other words.
Asking Bama fans to be a bit more introspective about this shouldn't be taken as an insult. Rather, it should be taken as, "hey, we know you guys aren't as bad as this, but if you don't think about certain things, you could get to that same place. No one wants to see that happen."
Or, put more simply, "Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:08 am to lsufanva
quote:
The NCAA has to and is warranted in punishing the football program and athletic department. I understand the stance some take with punishing those that had nothing to do with the crime but that is the case with every punishment handed down by the NCAA. In every instance of NCAA penalties there were innocent parties effected. It's part of the process. If the innocent were accounted for then there would be no use in the NCAA having rules and every program would just do anything they want. You can't have that. What other way is there to punish rule breakers if the innocent is are left out of the punishment? Money? Doesn't matter if the program is allowed to continue to run at full strength. They'll still make millions even with some losses of revenue. The punishments have to effect the competitive ability of the program. Scholarship limitiations and bowl bans do that while also costing the university some monetary gain. There is no way to punish without it affecting the innocent. It's just like the legal system. Innocent are affected by criminal punishment everyday. There are millions of children affected by the crimes of their parents. Did they deserve to be punished for the sins of their parent? Same concept goes with the NCAA but obviously to an extremely different degree. In the case of Penn St, there were crimes commited by the people in charge of the university and football/athletic program. The program has to be punished by whatever means most effects the ability of the program to compete. In most cases that is scholarship reductions and bowl bans. Maybe even TV money being forfeited. Basically they get to play while on the death penalty. That's worse imo. Not one kid nor coach in the program will be locked in to staying at Penn St. They will be free to leave if they choose. If they choose to stay knowing the punishment then they aren't innocent affected any longer. They made a choice. O'Brien took the job and the current recruiting class knew coming in that punishment was likely(if they didn't then there was a lot of sunshine pumping going on in State College) and chose to go there. They get no sympathy from me. They made a personal choice and have to live with it. Even still they'll be free to leave anytime they want.
Oh. My. God.
Breaks son, breaks.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:09 am to loweralabamatrojan
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The University did not make conscious decisions to do wrong. Nor did the football program. Individuals, people, made those decisions and should be punished. The people need to be punished. The institution does not.
BULL FUCCING $HIT - Joe Paterno WAS Penn State Football. Penn State Foetball was the "University" Need Legal precedent? Look and see how Corporations are held accountable for their Directors' actions. In the eyes of the court, they are often considered one and the same.
JoePa systematically covered-up everything going wrong inside his program. Hell - He even petitioned the Dean of Students that HE be the disciplinary authority when it came to football. NEED A LINK?
The Smoking Gun Everyone Ignored
It was corruption from the TOP DOWN. END OF STORY. The fact is you are butthurt cause your program got caught. Well, your program should not have cheated and payed players in the manner they did. If ever a program was running out of control it was USC. The fact they were not given the death penalty was because the NCAA did not have subpoena authority to question under oath the boosters, agents, and others. Honestly, USC got off easy. Deal with it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:10 am to DollaChoppa
Did these child molesters give Penn State a competitive advantage? If not, then what the frick is the NCAA doing sanctioning Penn State?
I am all for hammering child molesters. I don't believe that is NCAA's responsibility though. Leave it to the law.
I am all for hammering child molesters. I don't believe that is NCAA's responsibility though. Leave it to the law.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:10 am to DollaChoppa
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Oh. My. God.
that paragraph needs some structure in the worst way
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:10 am to JPLSU1981
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I personally don't agree with the NCAA penalizing the Penn State football program.
Well the boosters who fund the program and the high level school admins who let this go on the program as a whole is guilty no other way to spin it.Then the cult like behavior displayed by the fans leaves most with no sympathy for them
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:10 am to DollaChoppa
quote:You just want some more people punished?
I am not privy to that information.
Bloodlust! Woohoo!
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