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re: Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly?
Posted on 8/9/26 at 1:49 am to sonicbaw350
Posted on 8/9/26 at 1:49 am to sonicbaw350
I think if they switch teams we’re still having this debate but if there’s a ding to Willis it’s that he played on much better defenses that consistently put him in position to be as ruthless as possible
Willis was the best player on the best LB unit since the Dome Patrol. That counts for something. Add Justin Smith and that was arguably the league’s best front 7 during his prime
On the other hand, he played next to another inside LB that was a 1st team All-Pro 4x (Willis 5x) and they each feasted from the other being so damn good. You had no idea what either of them was going to do because they could both do anything at a high level, and if you neutralized one it often came at the expense of the other making a play. Navarro Bowman will never write a HoF speech but damn if he wasn’t as big a monster. Sucks injuries prematurely ended the careers of all 3
Willis was the best player on the best LB unit since the Dome Patrol. That counts for something. Add Justin Smith and that was arguably the league’s best front 7 during his prime
On the other hand, he played next to another inside LB that was a 1st team All-Pro 4x (Willis 5x) and they each feasted from the other being so damn good. You had no idea what either of them was going to do because they could both do anything at a high level, and if you neutralized one it often came at the expense of the other making a play. Navarro Bowman will never write a HoF speech but damn if he wasn’t as big a monster. Sucks injuries prematurely ended the careers of all 3
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 2:04 am
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:00 am to RemouladeSawce
quote:
The one argument that’s objectively wrong is that they aren’t close
that's YOUR opinion... as i indicated in my post that is MY opinion.... you are free to have yours, just as i am free to have mine...
have a great day bro
Posted on 8/9/26 at 11:02 am to sonicbaw350
both incredible players. I guess it depends on the rest of your team. if you need a leader take Kuechly. If you already have another great LB running the defensive schemes and just need a player to put beside him, take Willis
Posted on 8/9/26 at 11:16 am to chRxis
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that's YOUR opinion... as i indicated in my post that is MY opinion.... you are free to have yours, just as i am free to have mine...
I love these stupid arguments. Yeah well that’s my opinion so you have to respect it.
No, no I don’t. Your opinion is wrong. Every objective measure says you’re wrong. Your feelings don’t change that.
Give me Kuechly.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 11:28 am to lurking
quote:
Your opinion is wrong
my opinion is my opinion... and it's just as wrong, or right, as yours... so go frick yourself, chief...
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Your feelings don’t change that.
feelings?
get over yourself, my guy... you trying to hard to be "that guy" ... but do you... 
Posted on 8/9/26 at 11:32 am to sonicbaw350
Luke.
Hat tip to the poster who mentioned Bowman.
Hat tip to the poster who mentioned Bowman.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 11:45 am to chRxis
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my opinion is my opinion... and it's just as wrong, or right, as yours... so go frick yourself, chief...
The ramblings of the low iq.
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feelings?
Yes. Your feelings have convinced you Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly aren’t close statistically or otherwise as linebackers. You have no justification for why you think this way, only that’s how you feel
Posted on 8/9/26 at 12:13 pm to lurking
quote:
The ramblings of the low iq.
the fricking irony of YOU making this statement...
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Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly aren’t close statistically
i never said a thing about statistics... so your ASSUMPTION is wrong, but we know what they say about assuming, or should i remind you?
quote:
You have no justification for why you think this way
you need justification for an opinion? i mean you are giving good justification of my opinion of you being a fricking clown, in this thread, but i could still hold the same opinion without the ample evidence being provided...
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that’s how you feel
tell me more about how i "feel"...
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:55 pm to sonicbaw350
Luke.
He can compose a defense
He can compose a defense
Posted on 8/10/26 at 9:47 am to jizzle6609
Can I say I would take Luke Willis?
I mean, you cannot go wrong with either, and it is not a disservice to either to say the other.
Panthers had
Norman
Davis
Short
49'ers had
Bowman
the Smiths
Goldston and Whitmore
Both played on great defenses; both were absolute freaks of nature; both were fast, large, and knew the position and how the whole defense operated. I think there is a video clip out there discussing how Willis was able to give the assignments and checks for every player on the defense. We know Kuechly is legendary for practice and game film.
I mean, you cannot go wrong with either, and it is not a disservice to either to say the other.
Panthers had
Norman
Davis
Short
49'ers had
Bowman
the Smiths
Goldston and Whitmore
Both played on great defenses; both were absolute freaks of nature; both were fast, large, and knew the position and how the whole defense operated. I think there is a video clip out there discussing how Willis was able to give the assignments and checks for every player on the defense. We know Kuechly is legendary for practice and game film.
Posted on 8/10/26 at 1:32 pm to chRxis
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you need justification for an opinion?
generally, yes, when you have an opinion about something, there is something that justifies the opinions. You don't just have opinions to have them. There is something that causes you to hold an opinion, especially one that states "and it isn't even close." What about WIllis makes him the better of the two LBs and it "not being close."
Yes, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but there are also bad opinions people have. This would be one of them. You have two LBs who are unquestionably the best LBs of their generation. Their objective statistics and accolades are very similar if not slightly favoring Kuechly, so to say one is better than the other and it not being close is just a bad opinion.
This post was edited on 8/10/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/10/26 at 1:52 pm to sonicbaw350
I don't get the PW is a far superior athlete to LK argument. LK had better shuttle, 3 cone, broad jump, and bench press than PW. Sure PW thew up a freak 4.4 at Mississippi pro day but that's just one metric to measure athleticism. Better agility, taller, and stronger at the same weight. LK is every bit as freak athletic as PW.
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 3:35 pm to DeoreDX
Former Niner fan (don't watch much NFL anymore) and I would go with Kuechly for coverage and knowledge of the other team's offensive scheme and approach. Willis was phenomenal, don't get me wrong, and he was my favorite player at that time, but Kuechly was just a notch above.
Posted on 8/10/26 at 6:40 pm to lsufball19
quote:
generally, yes, when you have an opinion about something, there is something that justifies the opinions. You don't just have opinions to have them. There is something that causes you to hold an opinion, especially one that states "and it isn't even close." What about WIllis makes him the better of the two LBs and it "not being close."
Yes, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but there are also bad opinions people have. This would be one of them. You have two LBs who are unquestionably the best LBs of their generation. Their objective statistics and accolades are very similar if not slightly favoring Kuechly, so to say one is better than the other and it not being close is just a bad opinion.
some of y'all REALLY take this place wayyyyyy too serious... my god
you really sat there and posted all of this shite just to try to convince me, huh? i'll throw you a bone... you sold me bruh... you win... i'm on your side now... whatever side that is, i'm on it...
disregard the fact that Kuechly took over 3x the amount of defensive snaps that Willis did in his career, only to have similar numbers as Willis, but yeah... let's go with "the stats are basically the same for both" argument... it took Willis 1/3 of the amount of snaps to get the same production, and in some stats MORE production than that of Kuechly...
jesus christ
This post was edited on 8/10/26 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 8/10/26 at 7:10 pm to sonicbaw350
Are there any linebackers on these guys level right now?
I love a great linebacker
I love a great linebacker
Posted on 8/10/26 at 7:20 pm to CatfishJohn
Wagner was close but nobody else is right now.
Posted on 8/10/26 at 7:22 pm to chRxis
quote:
that's YOUR opinion... as i indicated in my post that is MY opinion.... you are free to have yours, just as i am free to have mine... have a great day bro
shite like this makes it so easy to identify the 100 IQ people who think they’re more intelligent that everyone around them. the problem with the midwit is that they’re smart enough to be literate and functional, but not smart enough to have any self awareness
the types of people who claim to be “independent thinkers”
Posted on 8/10/26 at 7:37 pm to Madking
quote:Fred Warner has been the standard at ILB since Wagner. And only 1 First Team All-Pro from tying them
Wagner was close but nobody else is right now.
But used differently. Less jamming the line / pass rush and way more pass coverage with a skillset closer to a 3rd safety
Posted on 8/10/26 at 7:55 pm to lurking
quote:
You have no justification for why you think this way
Willis put up better numbers in a few categeories while playing 1/3 of the snaps of Kuechly.... actually, less than 1/3...
Posted on 8/10/26 at 8:04 pm to chRxis
I have no idea what you’re talking about here unless you are somehow confused that the NFL only started tracking snaps in 2012, so most of Willis’ career wasn’t tracked. They both played virtually every snap they were healthy.
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