re: Paterno family are in denial

"He told his superiors & let them handle it". Are these the same superiors that he threw out of his house when they came to his house to fire/suggest he retire several yrs ago, telling them that he would know when to retire and no one else? This was JoPa's version & it was all in quotation marks."He's not the law": go ask the VP of Student Affairs her feelings bout that. JoPa was quoted in university investigation into her termination that he felt he was best qualified to deal with any legal problems involving his players. Go talk to the head of the university's campus police bout the actions JoPa tried to take when more than a few of his players were being arrested right & left several yrs ago. Go read the Sports Illustrated article on this mess. And McQueary is taking his shots.He had to go into seclusion & will never get a job at the university he loved: all for daring to report a pervert. But consider who he was at the time: a 21 yr old GA hoping to get a fulltime job. He messed up perhaps in not immediately stepping into the shower scene, but he did go to JoPa, his superior. JoPa never asked who the kid was OR how he was doing.

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Then another e-mail went out the next day where the President of the University said he and Paterno had met the night before and decided to keep mum and not contact the authorities.

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So we are just making shite up now? Really? What next? Lennay Kakua is real?

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That's not made up. Spanier, Schultz and Curley agreed to contact child welfare services. Then Curley later sent an email saying he was uncomfortable with that decision after "talking it over with Joe yesterday".

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The dude was told by MM that Sandsuky was inappropriately doing something to a kid.

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No he was told by MM that he THOUGHT he saw Sandusky doing something inappropriately to a kid. Up until that point, outside of the victims, everyone thought Sandusky was some innocent married man that just loved helping out troubled youth. Neither Joe now MM knew then what we all know now.

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You and Joe's family want everyone to believe that Joe was completely unaware of the 98 investigation involving his friend and assistant coach of 30 years.

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People have said this under oath that no one informed Joe of that situation. Unless you or someone else has proof to the contrary.

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You want everyone to ignore that Sandusky, who was openly called the HC in waiting, suddenly retired the very next year out of nowhere with Joe none the wiser as to why he may have been finished.

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I'm sure Joe asked him and Jerry probably give him some bs excuse (want to spend more time with my family, want to fish more, etc.)

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I mean, who the f-ck would hire a person that told you your former employee/friend of 30+ years was screwing with a kid in the shower if you believed it wasn't true and had no knowledge of any wrongdoing?

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Wasn't McQueary already on staff? Still my whole thing is, why is this all on Joe when McQueary knew more about it then him? Even if you believe that Joe was in on the cover-up, you have to extend that to Mike McQueary as well because he was the one who witnessed it. Why didn't he do more? Why did he call Joe? Why didn't he stop Sandusky then? Why did he only tell his dad and Joe and leave it be?

If you are going to put this on Joe, then you have to be consistent and put it on McQueary as well.

first off, nobody has given MM a pass. I certainly haven't and you can find posts on this site if you look for them.

but that isnt the point. Joe was THE MAN on that campus and its ultimately HIS responsibility at the end of the day. No ifs, ands, or buts. The guy told PSU brass to f-ck off when they had already tried to fire him once so to act like he didn't have a massive amount of power on that campus is asinine.

if you want to believe that JoPa had NO idea such an important person on his staff was being investigated in 98 go ahead. But IMO that is really stretching it.

and LOL at saying well people said on the stand that Joe knew nothing. Yea, b/c people never lie on the stand.

Joe himself said he never talked to JS about the MM accusation. AT BEST that is gross neglect.

MM was a GA at the time. Again, I am sorry but you can't get me to believe that JoPa would keep a person on staff and eventually promote him when the guy told Joe that JS was doing something inappropriate with a kid in the shower if he believed that JS had done nothing wrong.

Joe goes to his boss and informs. Ok, thats fine. But then Joe doesn't follow up? He keeps MM when nothing comes of it? He says don't worry kid, you made a simple mistake accusing my former DC and friend of 30+ years of being a pederast and instead of dumping you immediately for being a liar, I am going to give you a full time job!?!?

Really?

Come the hell on. How deep in the sand is your head?

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No he was told by MM that he THOUGHT he saw Sandusky doing something inappropriately to a kid.

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Paterno stated in his own grand jury testimony that McQueary told him he saw Sandusky fondling a young boy. Not that he THOUGHT he saw it. Paterno said he wasn't sure exactly what happened but "it was a sexual nature". That should've been enough of a red flag for both of them to do more.

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Hell just go to the Tiger Rant here. Or Saints Talk. All homer sports fans are delusional. This is nothing new or unique to Penn State's fanbase.

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I hope your wrong, but you are probably right. I would hope that if the team I rooted for had done something like this, that the fans would react differently than PSU fans have.

Though there is a big difference between Bounty Gate and child rape.

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Sports fans arent delusional about asst coach child rapists.

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I've read the PSU boards. They are a little nutty, but they aren't defending Jerry or the higher-ups who were guilty. They were defending Joe (rightfully so) and pissed because their football program got nuked by that dickwad Emmert for no reason and with no authority.

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I'd want Les Miles fired immediately

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You probably already want Les fired, so that's no shock.

Hey you people can believe what you want, but that doesn't make it the truth.

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You probably already want Les fired

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You'd be wrong about that.