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re: OSU sets timetable for Meyer investigation

Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:01 am to
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:01 am to
THANK YOU man we shut that biased-arse Buckeye fan down who thinks he’s a lawyer Bc he knows a legal term lol
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:02 am to
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When you can’t rebut someone without sounding like an idiot, go for the ad hominem have a good day Buckeye fan


Why do you keep editing all your poorly written posts after I respond to them?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:03 am to
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Ohio State is contractually obligated to pay Smith his money unless he violated the contract.

Do you expect someone to walk away from 100s of 1000s of dollars without a lawsuit?
While he may (even likely) file a lawsuit, I do think the university is on solid ground given the morals clauses often put into contracts, unless for some reason he didn’t have one.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:03 am to
THANK YOU I’ve been saying this all along, at least some of you Buckeye fans are objective around here
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:05 am to
They didn’t include a morals clause in Smith’s contract an attorney could be sued for malpractice hmmm
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:05 am to
I'm sure he had one.

But he wouldn't walk away from a lot of money without a lawsuit.

And Ohio State would 100% settle before that happens to avoid the discovery process alone, not even mentioning the media circus it would be.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290723 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:08 am to
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Oh so now Urban is paying off the police?

I love this board.




I dont think he would have to pay off anyone. And im not saying he did, but it's not exactly far fetched, as they pressured Courtney Smith into not filing charges in 2009.


anyway, the main point is just because Smith wasn't arrested in 2015 doesnt mean nothing went on. That 2015 police is fishy as is.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 10:10 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24178 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:10 am to
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I'm sure he had one.

But he wouldn't walk away from a lot of money without a lawsuit.


There was claims Zack Smith said something like and I'm just going off of memory so don't quote me, "I'll bring this university down with me". Was that claim true? Honest question not trolling?

Additionally, has Zack Smith mentioned since he was fired anything about being mad at Ohio State for wrongful termination? Honest question?

All I've seen is he has claimed that he did not ever hurt her, that he was always trying to protect himself.

He has only harmed Christmas Wreaths apparently.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:13 am to
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There was claims Zack Smith said something like and I'm just going off of memory so don't quote me, "I'll bring this university down with me". Was that claim true? Honest question not trolling? 


That was a rumor on message boards, never confirmed or attributed to Smith.

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Additionally, has Zack Smith mentioned since he was fired anything about being mad at Ohio State for wrongful termination? Honest question?


Not yet, no. But he's trying to fight a restraining order in court, so going off against his former employer isn't a good idea right now.

Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34970 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:16 am to
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anyway, the main point is just because Smith wasn't arrested in 2015 doesnt mean nothing went on. That 2015 police is fishy as is.


Of course.

I don’t get how that has anything to do with the post you responded to, which was Courtney Smith would have zero say into an arrest and charges if police thought there was sufficient evidence of abuse.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9165 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:16 am to
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But he wouldn't walk away from a lot of money without a lawsuit.

And it's not much money to OSU. Smith had a one year contract for $340k. Just buy out the contract. I suspect that's what they'll do to make it all go away.
Posted by HotTakeHerald
Member since Sep 2017
129 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:17 am to
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So you dont think Meyer deserves any accountability here? why do you think Meyer lied at media day?


No, He doesn't.

He shouldn't have. Why do players apologize about tweeting song lyrics when they were 18 instead of telling the mob of ppl who fake an irreparable injury of the "I'm offended" variety to F off? People try to conceal or make amends for PC transgressions they shouldn't even be embarrassed about. Such is the nature of PC culture.

This conservative website rightfully makes fun of SJWs who look absolutely ridiculous with mental gymnastics trying to find examples of systematic, institutional oppression. Bring an opposing coach into it, and they start quoting talking points from gender studies classes about all the dynamics of victimology that a woman experiences at the hands of powerful, nefarious institutions, none of which she could dream of having any personal accountability against.

Is it understandable that a woman irrationally stays with a husband because she is in denial? Yes, how did Urban contribute to that? She needs to help herself.

You know what else is a far more rational dynamic of abused women? That a woman doesn't report domestic abuse because she is terrified that she will lose all income and means of child support if her husband is fired. And of course y'all are furious about Urban not firing him and relieving her of her income. It's certainly not because the husband will be pacified by his getting fired for hitting her. It's because you are trying to manufacture a role for Urban in this, because him not leading Ohio St on the field on Saturdays is the only vested interest you have in this.

If this were an anti-conservative politics SJW mob instead of an anti-OSU SJW mob, yall would brutally ridicule yourselves for fake outrage and passing of accountability from individuals involved in the domestic situation to institutions 3+ degrees removed from the situation.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 10:21 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:18 am to
No doubt that's what would happen.

And Courtney Smith will get paid one last time.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290723 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:26 am to
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which was Courtney Smith would have zero say into an arrest and charges if police thought there was sufficient evidence of abuse


My whole point is this is at the officers discretion. And there are a variable of reasons why he may not have been arrested. Through these discussions some of you have acted like he is only guilty if he gets arrested.

All in all, there are 2 versions of the police report going around which seems to be fishy. One of them lists felony charges of domestic dispute. Another had arrested checked off, which he clearly wasn’t.

Why he wasn’t apprehended I don’t know. I do know that they just don’t grant restraining orders, and within a month of the incident she was able to obtain one.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24178 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:28 am to
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Why he wasn’t apprehended I don’t know. I do know that they just don’t grant restraining orders, and within a month of the incident she was able to obtain one.


And he violated it, and that violation was reported by a neighbor not Courtney.

Its very unfortunate that he abused a Christmas Wreath. That may be the downfall of the buckeyes.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:29 am to
Yes they do "just grant restraining orders" especially ex parte ones.

Courtney Smith may have lied on the court documents if she indeed said that Smith was not allowed to be at her house (Powell police said they have no documentation stating that Smith is barred from contact with her).
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:30 am to
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And he violated it,


Link?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24178 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:31 am to
Here's another question then, was the criminal trespass or whatever the hell Zack Smith was in trouble for something that should have been reported to the administration?

That happened in December 2017 right? And he was fired for it when it was made public in July 2018?

I am fairly certainly none of that can be argued?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290723 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:32 am to
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Is it understandable that a woman irrationally stays with a husband because she is in denial? Yes, how did Urban contribute to that? She needs to help herself.

You know what else is a far more rational dynamic of abused women? That a woman doesn't report domestic abuse because she is terrified that she will lose all income and means of child support if her husband is fired. And of course y'all are furious about Urban not firing him and relieving her of her income. It's certainly not because the husband will be pacified by his getting fired for hitting her. It's because you are trying to manufacture a role for Urban in this, because him not leading Ohio St on the field on Saturdays is the only vested interest you have in this.


This is a new & interesting way to justify domestic abuse

quote:

It's because you are trying to manufacture a role for Urban in this, because him not leading Ohio St on the field on Saturdays is the only vested interest you have in t



Few things

I don’t dislike Urban Meyer. I truly don’t care if he gets fired or not. I just think he will.

I don’t follow politics, so I don’t even know what some of the shite you are saying means. Save it.

I also don’t have to manufacture a role for him in this. You serious with this one?? Him lying about it at media day puts him firmly into the middle of all of this. Not just the lie, but the reason he lied.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80517 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:33 am to
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Here's another question then, was the criminal trespass or whatever the hell Zack Smith was in trouble for something that should have been reported to the administration?

That happened in December 2017 right? And he was fired for it when it was made public in July 2018?

I am fairly certainly none of that can be argued?


I'd like to see proof of this.

Not saying you're wrong, but the only interaction with police in Ohio I've seen actual proof of was the 2015 incident. I haven't seen anything in writing about the tresspassing incident you're alleging.
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