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re: OSU sets timetable for Meyer investigation

Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:35 am to
Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:35 am to
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And he violated it,


Link?


Nov. 9-12, 2015: Powell police investigate a claim by Courtney Smith of menacing by stalking by Zach Smith. No charges are filed, but Zach Smith is issued a restraining order on Nov. 10. Courtney Smith files for divorce two days later.

Dec. 19, 2017: Zach Smith is given criminal trespass warning after reportedly making "harassment/threats" at 1:30 a.m. on Dec. 17. McMurphy reported he tried to enter Courtney Smith's residence. No files were charged.

May 12, 2018: Powell police cite Zach Smith with misdemeanor criminal trespass after a dispute with his wife. The two argued over where Zach Smith should have dropped off his son. McMurphy reported Smith's driving into the driveway of his ex-wife's apartment violated the 2015 warning.

LINK

Honestly don't know, just showing it. McMurphy is full of shite. But seems logical, I'm not a lawyer though.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288469 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:37 am to
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Yes they do "just grant restraining orders" especially ex parte ones.


My wife has a friend going thru the process. It’s nit as easy as saying “I want a restraining order”. You need evidence & witnesses and if you are legally married with kids it presents a whole new challenge.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80016 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:38 am to
I don't believe it's accurate that he had a restraining order put against him in 2015.

If so, I would have a significant change in my interpretation of subsequent events.
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34783 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:41 am to
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My whole point is this is at the officers discretion. And there are a variable of reasons why he may not have been arrested. Through these discussions some of you have acted like he is only guilty if he gets arrested


Of course it’s at the officers discretion. Not once have I said or acted like he’s innocent because he wasn’t arrested or charged.

For the third time, my only point in my initial response was Ohio law disregards the victim’s desires if they feel they have enough to arrest and press charges. So it didn’t matter if Courtney Smith didn’t want to press charges to save Zach Smith’s income, the police could have overruled that if they wanted.

As to how that somehow gets spun to me thinking Zach Smith is innocent is pretty pathetic.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:41 am to
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I'd like to see proof of this.

It's on most of the sites I've read. He has two court dates coming up. One on 8/22 for the criminal trespass charge in May. The other is 9/14 for the protective order.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:43 am to
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As to how that somehow gets spun to me thinking Zach Smith is innocent is pretty pathetic.


Yeah and this Kramer OSU fan is the ringleader of that nonsense, where theres smoke theres fire
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80016 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:44 am to
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My wife has a friend going thru the process. It’s nit as easy as saying “I want a restraining order”. You need evidence & witnesses and if you are legally married with kids it presents a whole new challenge.


The law is different in Ohio than the state your wife's friend is in.

In Ohio several months ago, the only way to get a domestic violence restraining order was to be married to the abuse, be living with them, and/or have a child with them. So it would be inaccurate to say it would be a hindrance in Ohio.

Also, you don't need witnesses to be granted an ex parte restraining order in Ohio. Once you get to the full hearing though, you better have corroborating evidence or the order will be dropped quickly.

Also, if you get the right (activist) judge and have a seasoned lawyer, it makes things much easier, especially in populated, slightly more liberal minded counties like Delaware County.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80016 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:45 am to
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One on 8/22 for the criminal trespass charge in May.


So you're saying he was charged with a crime?

Link me to the court case, it's all public record.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 10:46 am
Posted by HotTakeHerald
Member since Sep 2017
129 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:50 am to
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This is a new & interesting way to justify domestic abuse


Not really. Linking increased unemployment to increased violent crime is of debatable interest, but it is certainly not new. What's novel is the absurd notion that termination of employment is a remedy- nay, the remedy- for domestic violence. It seemed to have popped up on this board around the same time that an opposing football coach was discovered to have not terminated the employment of somebody involved in domestic abuse.

quote:

I don’t dislike Urban Meyer. I truly don’t care if he gets fired or not. I just think he will.


Well note that I don't believe you, considering the topic has reduced you to histrionic virtue-signalling.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23392 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:51 am to
18 DV H 07 0425 SMITH, COURTNEY C VS. SMITH, ZACHARY E RDF
Case Type: (DV) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Case Status: Open
File Date: 07/20/2018
DCM Track:

Action: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Status Date: 07/20/2018
Case Judge: FULLER, RANDALL D
Next Event: 09/14/2018



ETA: appears to be: PETITION FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CIVIL PROTECTION ORDER
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80016 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:53 am to
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18 DV H 07 0425 SMITH, COURTNEY C VS. SMITH, ZACHARY E RDF
Case Type: (DV) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Case Status: Open
File Date: 07/20/2018
DCM Track:

Action: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Status Date: 07/20/2018
Case Judge: FULLER, RANDALL D
Next Event: 09/14/2018




That's the full hearing for the restraining order.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23392 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:59 am to
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What's novel is the absurd notion that termination of employment is a remedy- nay, the remedy- for domestic violence


Who said it was a remedy? If Courtney Smith wants to stay with her husband that abuses her (now divorced) and does not want to press charges, that's up to her.

Does a wife accepting physical abuse make it acceptable to keep the person employed in a rather public position?

I'm not a psychologist and maybe this is a ridiculous assumption, but I don't think that someone that physically abuses their wife is a good person to have around in a university.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288469 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:01 am to
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What's novel is the absurd notion that termination of employment is a remedy- nay, the remedy- for domestic violence.



what's novel is that you think we are trying to remedy domestic violence


Urban Meyer, as the highest paid public figure in Ohio, as the CEO of Ohio State football & their $1.5 billon worth, as the father of 2 daughters has more responsibility than just calling plays & recruiting players.


Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:05 am to
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Depriving someone of their constitutional rights without the ability to defend themselves in court is 100% constitutional?


A search warrant deprives someone of rights they would otherwise have under the 4th amendment.
Search warrants are issued ex parte.
Search warrants are 100% constitutional.

So...yes.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:07 am to
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A search warrant deprives someone of rights they would otherwise have under the 4th amendment. Search warrants are issued ex parte. Search warrants are 100% constitutional. So...yes.


Cramer's having a pretty bad day today, hope he's not a lawyer otherwise his comments would show complete legal incompetence
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:08 am to
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:09 am to
quote:

Link me to the court case, it's all public record.

This looks like it unless there is another Zachary Smith.

LINK
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23392 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:14 am to
quote:

What's novel is the absurd notion that termination of employment is a remedy- nay, the remedy- for domestic violence.


I'll take it a step further, how would this statement sound from Meyer and do you think he'd be further employed at any state university:

Meyer (made up statement) " I have known that Zack Smith has had a very tumultuous and abusive relationship with his now ex-wife Courtney since 2009. It was a private matter and both Courtney and Zack decided to stay married while seeking counseling. Yes I knew that they both physically abused each other. I knew that Zack would physically hurt her, but it was usually in his own defense. I felt Zack (and his wife and kids) was better off in a good high paying job, it never affected his work or our student athletes, and Zack was never officially arrested for it. As soon as Zack was officially arrested, we felt he was no longer employable by this great university and he was let go. -Urban"

If Ohio state fans can live with that, I don't really have an argument.

Eta: That's exactly how I feel it happened. I feel like Urban was embarrassed and that's why he lied. Then he came out realizing it made him look worse so he issued his statement. The university did not know about everything "officially", so they are protecting themselves and determining how bad it is for them.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:20 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80016 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:19 am to
That says it occurred on May 12th, 2018. So not the Christmas wreath incident that PTE is going psycho over. This may all be stemming from the same issue with dropping the kid off. But I didn't know he was charged with anything.

I don't know when Smith's birthday is to confirm.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80016 posts
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:21 am to
quote:

A search warrant deprives someone of rights they would otherwise have under the 4th amendment.
Search warrants are issued ex parte.
Search warrants are 100% constitutional.

So...yes.


I was mostly referring to ex parte restraining orders.

But if you have been following the FISA warrant/NSA unmasking saga in Washington, those were "search warrants" granted ex parte and that appears to be a significant constitutional issue.
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