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Only 5 NBA players have ever scored 30+PPG and made all-defense...but 2 can join them now
Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:56 am
Giannis is averaging 29.9 PPG so will need to score 35+ points in his last game to join this club
Embiid is averaging 30.4 PPG so just needs to score at least 2 points in his last game to maintain a 30PPG
Here are the 5 players who have made an all-defense team the same year they averaged 30+ PPG:
Michael Jordan (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996)
Kobe Bryant (2003, 2006, 2007)
Dwyane Wade (2009)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1971)
Jerry West (1970)
So yeah, MJ had 7 such seasons and everyone else combined have done it 6 times.
MJ also led the league in scoring in 1997 and 1998 and was first team all-defense but only average a mere 29.6 and 28.7 PPG in those years respectively...what a scrub.
Embiid is averaging 30.4 PPG so just needs to score at least 2 points in his last game to maintain a 30PPG
Here are the 5 players who have made an all-defense team the same year they averaged 30+ PPG:
Michael Jordan (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996)
Kobe Bryant (2003, 2006, 2007)
Dwyane Wade (2009)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1971)
Jerry West (1970)
So yeah, MJ had 7 such seasons and everyone else combined have done it 6 times.
MJ also led the league in scoring in 1997 and 1998 and was first team all-defense but only average a mere 29.6 and 28.7 PPG in those years respectively...what a scrub.
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Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:59 am to saintsfan92612
Jeebus. As good as Jordan was, is he under rated? 30+ and first team all defense?
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:01 pm to Oilfieldbiology
He's only underrated by the tiktok generation
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:16 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Jeebus. As good as Jordan was, is he under rated? 30+ and first team all defense?
Circular reasoning. First team all-defense is a subjective rating. Under-rated would entail not getting all-defensive team selections when one deserving of it.
No, he isn't under-rated. He is overrated, IMO. He never had a winning season without Pippen. 5 seasons without Pippen and his team had a losing record in all 5.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:18 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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As good as Jordan was, is he under rated? 30+ and first team all defense?
I brought up how Jordan won 7 straight scoring titles, took 2 years off and then won 3 more scoring titles. During those 10 scoring titles, he was all nba defensive 1st team 9 times. You have to combine 3-4 great players to match that accomplishment. Imagine if he didn’t take those 2 years off.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:21 pm to saintsfan92612
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same year they averaged 30+ PPG:
Michael Jordan (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996)
Kobe Bryant (2003, 2006, 2007)
Dwyane Wade (2009)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1971)
Jerry West (1970)
Only 2 players have done it more than once: MJ & Kobe
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:31 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Circular reasoning. First team all-defense is a subjective rating. Under-rated would entail not getting all-defensive team selections when one deserving of it. No, he isn't under-rated. He is overrated, IMO. He never had a winning season without Pippen. 5 seasons without Pippen and his team had a losing record in all 5.
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Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:34 pm to TheSexecutioner
I mean, I wouldn't go so far to say Jordan is overrated but Pippen is definitely criminally underrated.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:38 pm to saintsfan92612
Are we just ignoring that lebron also has 30 ppg this season? I haven’t been watching, but assume he has played defense at a high level
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:44 pm to saintsfan92612
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Jerry West (1970)
Goat
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:47 pm to TheSexecutioner
Welcome to MSB Mr. Pippen. Seriously though Pippen I don’t think gets enough credit. Jordan got most of the credit deservingly so but without Pippen I don’t think those Bulls teams would of won the championships that they did.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:48 pm to diremustang
if Lebron makes an all-defense team this year, the shite is rigged.
Bam, Giannis, Jaren Jackson, Draymond, Herb Jones, Jimmy Butler, Robert Covington, Jae Crowder...etc all deserve it over Lebron.
Bam, Giannis, Jaren Jackson, Draymond, Herb Jones, Jimmy Butler, Robert Covington, Jae Crowder...etc all deserve it over Lebron.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:53 pm to saintsfan92612
Found the person who doesn’t understand sarcasm
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:54 pm to diremustang
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diremustang
I understand your post is sarcasm, but let's look at Bron's stats anyways. LeBron hasn't played good defense this season. He ranks 192nd in individual defensive win shares (very important stat when determining individual defensive contributions) and 471st in defensive rating. Furthermore, his team is ranked 22rd in defensive rating.
This post was edited on 4/8/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:55 pm to diremustang
sarcasm? your post could legit come out of any westbank lakers fans mouth and they'd be fully serious.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:38 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Circular reasoning. First team all-defense is a subjective rating. Under-rated would entail not getting all-defensive team selections when one deserving of it.
I meant by current fans, not during his time.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:39 pm to diremustang
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haven’t been watching, but assume he has played defense at a high level
This take makes it obvious you haven’t watched.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:23 pm to Oilfieldbiology
The old Superfans bit about asking how many points MJ would score if he spent the entire game in a BarcoLounger comes to mind.
It wasn’t really hyperbole given what Jordan was capable of.
It wasn’t really hyperbole given what Jordan was capable of.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:26 pm to saintsfan92612
This is why MJ is the GOAT.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 3:20 pm to saintsfan92612
Both Giannis and Joel has played spectacular all season.
But as good as they've been, it's a possibility that neither guy even wins MVP this year.
But as good as they've been, it's a possibility that neither guy even wins MVP this year.
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